It also can't really be legally recognized.
The interesting question I have is this. What if one country colonizes a planet, controls it completely, and prospers? What reason would they have to no longer stay true to the "I won't fire my nukes if you don't fire yours" rule?Because they could spark old hatreds once more. And they would have complete immunity to the repurcussions because they control another world. We couldn't lob nukes over to mars in precision strikes. Not fast enough anyway.Consider that little question.
Well, first of all, good fucking luck to the Russians if they want to try colonizing anything with their garbage economy and old soviet technology.
They know that NATO would destroy their anuses.Trust me they would never do it. NATO exists solely to cock block Russia.
That's the similar thing as the nuclear umbrella. Nobody can ensure whether or not if you launch a nuke off a planet then none won't hit back one of yours. In the same way, Russia could have nuked any of the European countries with the uncertainty that the US would have retailed on Russian lands.Quote from: Sandtrap on November 01, 2014, 10:27:13 AMThe interesting question I have is this. What if one country colonizes a planet, controls it completely, and prospers? What reason would they have to no longer stay true to the "I won't fire my nukes if you don't fire yours" rule?Because they could spark old hatreds once more. And they would have complete immunity to the repurcussions because they control another world. We couldn't lob nukes over to mars in precision strikes. Not fast enough anyway.Consider that little question.
International Space Treaty prohibits colonization, so no.
Quote from: TrussingDoor on October 31, 2014, 08:04:56 PMWell, first of all, good fucking luck to the Russians if they want to try colonizing anything with their garbage economy and old soviet technology.Just thought I'd say that Russian rockets are really fucking good.The N1 engines developed by the Soviets over 40 years ago are still the best rocket engines ever produced.OT:No. Mars is huge, any Russians bases on Mars would probably be limited to a few hundred meters at most. And even then there is no way they are wasting any mass on weapons on a interplanetary rockets. You take the essentials and only the esstinals, you can't afford to waste mass.Anything like missiles are far too heavy to take to Mars anyway.The only thing they could do is shoot down rockets that are headed to Mars while they are launching on Earth, or possibly in Earth orbit, but then they'd just start a war here on Earth.
Quote from: Flee on November 01, 2014, 11:58:12 AMInternational Space Treaty prohibits colonization, so no.Wait, really?Does that mean any form of putting humans on mars or does it refer specifically to claiming territory for a country/state?
Quote from: Simseo on November 01, 2014, 03:30:16 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on October 31, 2014, 08:04:56 PMWell, first of all, good fucking luck to the Russians if they want to try colonizing anything with their garbage economy and old soviet technology.Just thought I'd say that Russian rockets are really fucking good.The N1 engines developed by the Soviets over 40 years ago are still the best rocket engines ever produced.OT:No. Mars is huge, any Russians bases on Mars would probably be limited to a few hundred meters at most. And even then there is no way they are wasting any mass on weapons on a interplanetary rockets. You take the essentials and only the esstinals, you can't afford to waste mass.Anything like missiles are far too heavy to take to Mars anyway.The only thing they could do is shoot down rockets that are headed to Mars while they are launching on Earth, or possibly in Earth orbit, but then they'd just start a war here on Earth.> mfw the old N1 engine is probably the reason the Orbital Sciences rocket exploded on launch the other day.
Quote from: SexyPiranha on November 01, 2014, 04:09:59 PMQuote from: Simseo on November 01, 2014, 03:30:16 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on October 31, 2014, 08:04:56 PMWell, first of all, good fucking luck to the Russians if they want to try colonizing anything with their garbage economy and old soviet technology.Just thought I'd say that Russian rockets are really fucking good.The N1 engines developed by the Soviets over 40 years ago are still the best rocket engines ever produced.OT:No. Mars is huge, any Russians bases on Mars would probably be limited to a few hundred meters at most. And even then there is no way they are wasting any mass on weapons on a interplanetary rockets. You take the essentials and only the esstinals, you can't afford to waste mass.Anything like missiles are far too heavy to take to Mars anyway.The only thing they could do is shoot down rockets that are headed to Mars while they are launching on Earth, or possibly in Earth orbit, but then they'd just start a war here on Earth.> mfw the old N1 engine is probably the reason the Orbital Sciences rocket exploded on launch the other day.Probably, they fucking exploded. Those engines were built over 40 years ago though, nothing to do with the design, they're just too old. But the fact that they're still willing to use them, and have been used successfully on past launches even though they're older than most people on this site should tell you how good they are.
Quote from: Simseo on November 01, 2014, 04:17:53 PMQuote from: SexyPiranha on November 01, 2014, 04:09:59 PMQuote from: Simseo on November 01, 2014, 03:30:16 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on October 31, 2014, 08:04:56 PMWell, first of all, good fucking luck to the Russians if they want to try colonizing anything with their garbage economy and old soviet technology.Just thought I'd say that Russian rockets are really fucking good.The N1 engines developed by the Soviets over 40 years ago are still the best rocket engines ever produced.OT:No. Mars is huge, any Russians bases on Mars would probably be limited to a few hundred meters at most. And even then there is no way they are wasting any mass on weapons on a interplanetary rockets. You take the essentials and only the esstinals, you can't afford to waste mass.Anything like missiles are far too heavy to take to Mars anyway.The only thing they could do is shoot down rockets that are headed to Mars while they are launching on Earth, or possibly in Earth orbit, but then they'd just start a war here on Earth.> mfw the old N1 engine is probably the reason the Orbital Sciences rocket exploded on launch the other day.Probably, they fucking exploded. Those engines were built over 40 years ago though, nothing to do with the design, they're just too old. But the fact that they're still willing to use them, and have been used successfully on past launches even though they're older than most people on this site should tell you how good they are.Nigga, you know what I mean. They're old.Considering that use of old tech has pushed Orbital behind now, I wouldn't entrust the future of my company on it.
Quote from: SexyPiranha on November 01, 2014, 04:26:03 PMQuote from: Simseo on November 01, 2014, 04:17:53 PMQuote from: SexyPiranha on November 01, 2014, 04:09:59 PMQuote from: Simseo on November 01, 2014, 03:30:16 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on October 31, 2014, 08:04:56 PMWell, first of all, good fucking luck to the Russians if they want to try colonizing anything with their garbage economy and old soviet technology.Just thought I'd say that Russian rockets are really fucking good.The N1 engines developed by the Soviets over 40 years ago are still the best rocket engines ever produced.OT:No. Mars is huge, any Russians bases on Mars would probably be limited to a few hundred meters at most. And even then there is no way they are wasting any mass on weapons on a interplanetary rockets. You take the essentials and only the esstinals, you can't afford to waste mass.Anything like missiles are far too heavy to take to Mars anyway.The only thing they could do is shoot down rockets that are headed to Mars while they are launching on Earth, or possibly in Earth orbit, but then they'd just start a war here on Earth.> mfw the old N1 engine is probably the reason the Orbital Sciences rocket exploded on launch the other day.Probably, they fucking exploded. Those engines were built over 40 years ago though, nothing to do with the design, they're just too old. But the fact that they're still willing to use them, and have been used successfully on past launches even though they're older than most people on this site should tell you how good they are.Nigga, you know what I mean. They're old.Considering that use of old tech has pushed Orbital behind now, I wouldn't entrust the future of my company on it.The design for the engines is better than any other designed engines to this date.The engines used by Orbital were built over 40 years ago, they've been sat in a storage cupboard for like 30 years, no matter how good the design, the metal is still going to corrode and get damaged. The N1 engines are better than any engines we have at the moment, but metal still corodes, and using engines built over 40 years ago probably isn't going to end well, I certainly wouldn't use those engines.Although to give credit to Orbital, they're good at using reusing old technology.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 01, 2014, 04:07:37 PMQuote from: Flee on November 01, 2014, 11:58:12 AMInternational Space Treaty prohibits colonization, so no.Wait, really?Does that mean any form of putting humans on mars or does it refer specifically to claiming territory for a country/state?To answer your question very briefly, one of the general principles at the basis of the space treaty is that outer space and the celestial bodies in it are considered to be common heritage of mankind. Because of this, exploration of outer space should always be free to all and be done or the greater good of the human race. In other words, every country has the right to put humans on any planet for peaceful purposes of exploration and research, and no country can claim (part of) a planet for its own.QuoteArt. 1 OSTThe exploration and use of outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries, irrespective of their degree of economic or scientific development, and shall be the province of all mankind.Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, shall be free for exploration and use by all States without discrimination of any kind, on a basis of equality and in accordance with international law, and there shall be free access to all areas of celestial bodies.There shall be freedom of scientific investigation in outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, and States shall facilitate and encourage international co-operation in such investigation.Art. 2Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means.
Art. 1 OSTThe exploration and use of outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries, irrespective of their degree of economic or scientific development, and shall be the province of all mankind.Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, shall be free for exploration and use by all States without discrimination of any kind, on a basis of equality and in accordance with international law, and there shall be free access to all areas of celestial bodies.There shall be freedom of scientific investigation in outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, and States shall facilitate and encourage international co-operation in such investigation.Art. 2Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means.
Quote from: SexyPiranha on November 01, 2014, 04:11:50 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on November 01, 2014, 04:07:37 PMQuote from: Flee on November 01, 2014, 11:58:12 AMInternational Space Treaty prohibits colonization, so no.Wait, really?Does that mean any form of putting humans on mars or does it refer specifically to claiming territory for a country/state?Pretty sure that's just the moon. Even then, if it's the one I'm thinking about, the only countries that signed were ones that couldn't into space.Nope, wrong on both accounts. The OST (Outer Space Treaty) has been signed by over a 100 countries, including all of the ones that can into space. It also doesn't just apply to the moon, but covers any and all celestial bodies.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 01, 2014, 04:07:37 PMQuote from: Flee on November 01, 2014, 11:58:12 AMInternational Space Treaty prohibits colonization, so no.Wait, really?Does that mean any form of putting humans on mars or does it refer specifically to claiming territory for a country/state?Pretty sure that's just the moon. Even then, if it's the one I'm thinking about, the only countries that signed were ones that couldn't into space.
Say Russia colonizes mars first
