The Tax Policy Center (TPC) estimates that the Sanders tax proposals would increase federal revenue by $15.3 trillion over their first decade (6.4 percent of cumulative gross domestic product [GDP] over that period) and by an additional $25.1 trillion over the subsequent 10 years (7.0 percent of cumulative GDP), before accounting for any changes in the cost of federal borrowing or macroeconomic feedback effects.1 Approximately two-fifths of the estimated revenue increase would come from a new employer payroll tax on all earnings and an across-the-board increase in income taxes, which would pay for a new, government-administered, health insurance program. Net increases in individual income, payroll, and estate taxes paid by high-income and high-wealth taxpayers would account for another quarter of the increase, as would the elimination of tax breaks for health care– related expenditures. Higher taxes paid by businesses, a new tax on financial transactions, and a new tax on carbon would account for the remainder. The proposal would raise taxes at every income level, but high- income taxpayers would face the biggest increases, both in dollar amount and as a percentage of income. Overall, the plan would raise tax burdens by an average of nearly $9,000, thereby lowering average after-tax income by 12.4 percent. However, the highest-income taxpayers (the top 0.1 percent, or those with income over $3.7 million in 2015 dollars) would experience an average increase in tax burdens of more than $3 million in 2017, nearly 45 percent of their $6.9 million average after-tax income. Households in the middle quintile of the income distribution would see an average tax increase of almost $4,700, or 8.5 percent of their average after-tax income. Those in the bottom quintile would experience smaller tax increases, averaging $165, or 1.3 percent of their average after-tax income.
Mr. Sanders’s proposals would increase federal taxes by $15.3 trillion over the next decade, according to the Tax Policy Center. Mr. Sanders concentrates his tax increases on high-income households, which would face sharply higher levies on their wages, business income, capital gains and estates, as well as more limits on their deductions. The top 0.1%—those with incomes of $3.7 million under an expanded definition—would pay an average federal tax rate of 63.7% in 2017, up from 34.2%.The middle 20% of households would face an average tax increase of $4,692 in 2017 and lose 8.5% of after-tax income. The lowest-income households would lose, too, but they would come out even by 2025.“Sanders is clearly betting that people are willing to pay for his expansive new welfare state,” said Leonard Burman, director of the Tax Policy Center, who was a Treasury Department official under President Bill Clinton. “There’s a giant tax increase, mostly on the rich, but everyone would pay more.”
I'm ok with investing $1.5t a year into the well-being of our people.
Quote from: Mad Max on March 04, 2016, 04:39:17 PMI'm ok with investing $1.5t a year into the well-being of our people.That's incredibly easy to say when your cost would be little more than what you already pay for healthcare, while others are forced to shoulder the same cost for thousands of individuals themselves.
The social contract binds you to such obligations in many folks' minds.
Quote from: Mad Max on March 04, 2016, 04:39:17 PMI'm ok with investing $1.5t a year into the well-being of our people.You mean other than the effects these taxes will have on economic growth?
You call it "the social contract" as if the concept is anything more than philosophers' ephemeral catch-all for government policy. Taxation is one of the most obvious forms of a social contract, but it certainly doesn't dictate specific terms; it can't be quantified, so it's irrelevant. And on the other hand, in the face of many leading economists disparaging Sanders' plan as a net detriment to the country, wouldn't the same social contract demand we listen to them?
My point was merely that, if you want to say "you should feel bad for expecting some people to pay for many others" that you better be sure that the people you're speaking to agree.
Well if we can spend trillions on unnecessary wars, we can spend trillions on necessary things our people need.
Quote from: Mad Max on March 04, 2016, 05:13:42 PMWell if we can spend trillions on unnecessary wars, we can spend trillions on necessary things our people need.That's a non-sequitur. Even if you were overspending on defence, it doesn't then follow that such expenditure should be shifted elsewhere; you might just be overspending in general. Nevertheless, you didn't even answer my question. You just gave me some vague platitude. So, allow me to ask you a few questions: why are you dismissing the fact that these taxes may have negative effects on economic growth, which seems especially likely given the kinds of taxes he wants to implement? Why are you okay with a payroll tax increase which is going to depress workers' wages? Why are you okay with reducing the after-tax income of taxpayers by around 13pc? In a world where deficit-reduction is key, what part of Sanders' plan actually addresses entitlement reform? Why are you putting faith in the voodoo economics and lies which underpin his healthcare policy? And there's the effects of corporation tax, and a financial transaction tax and higher income taxes. Much like the Republicans', Bernie's plan on taxes and spending is a fiscal dumpster fire. The only good policy I can identify is the introduction of a carbon tax.
Because when fewer people are drowning in medical bills
64% for earners over 4 mil? That's a fucking joke.Punish people for being successful and they'll leave. Happened in Jersey, and it'll happen to the entire US.
Gluttony is bad you know
Quote from: PSU on March 04, 2016, 04:54:59 PM64% for earners over 4 mil? That's a fucking joke.Punish people for being successful and they'll leave. Happened in Jersey, and it'll happen to the entire US.Gluttony is bad you know, at least the money won't go to waste.
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 04, 2016, 06:12:59 PMQuote from: PSU on March 04, 2016, 04:54:59 PM64% for earners over 4 mil? That's a fucking joke.Punish people for being successful and they'll leave. Happened in Jersey, and it'll happen to the entire US.Gluttony is bad you know, at least the money won't go to waste.Whats my incentive to want to be a millionaire if the MAJORITY of my hard earned money is taken away?
Whats my incentive to want to be a millionaire if the MAJORITY of my hard earned money is taken away?
Gluttony is bad you know, at least the money won't go to waste.
Quote from: PSU on March 04, 2016, 08:01:55 PMWhats my incentive to want to be a millionaire if the MAJORITY of my hard earned money is taken away?You shouldn't want to be a millionaire.
What a stupid thing to say.
Quote from: aSMARTfeminist on March 05, 2016, 12:32:03 AMWhat a stupid thing to say.Fuck money.
Becoming wealthy, if not excessively wealthy, should be everyone's ideal end goal. Being poor never helped anyone.
Quote from: aSMARTfeminist on March 05, 2016, 12:37:21 AMBecoming wealthy, if not excessively wealthy, should be everyone's ideal end goal. Being poor never helped anyone.If everyone was rich, no one would be. That's the whole point.Everyone should have the exact same amount of wealth.
Good.
Quote from: SecondClass on March 06, 2016, 08:08:17 PMGood.How is this good?