Quote from: Luciana on December 15, 2015, 08:57:37 PM

Did Cruz really support dictators who fucked over everyone?

Realpolitik fam

we practiced it for 40 years

It wouldn't be the US if we weren't hypocrites and toppled governments we don't like

Quote from: Luciana on December 15, 2015, 09:09:18 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on December 15, 2015, 09:01:33 PM

Quote from: Luciana on December 15, 2015, 08:57:37 PM

Did Cruz really support dictators who fucked over everyone?

Realpolitik fam

we practiced it for 40 years

It wouldn't be the US if we weren't hypocrites and toppled governments we don't like

Say what you will but the Policy of Containment and use of realpolitik in the Cold War was one of the most brilliant foreign policy concepts the US has ever developed and executed. Back then it wasn't about toppling governments we don't like; it was about toppling governments that were potential Soviet allies.

That being said it doesn't work quite the well in other applications. The toppling of Assad, Hussein, and Qaddafi were the wrong stances to take.

I don't mind it during Cold War, but some things are just.. odd.

Speaking of which, was the Iranian government we toppled (which was democratic), pro russian?

Quote from: Luciana on December 15, 2015, 09:16:05 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on December 15, 2015, 09:14:38 PM

Quote from: Luciana on December 15, 2015, 09:09:18 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on December 15, 2015, 09:01:33 PM

Quote from: Luciana on December 15, 2015, 08:57:37 PM

Did Cruz really support dictators who fucked over everyone?

Realpolitik fam

we practiced it for 40 years

It wouldn't be the US if we weren't hypocrites and toppled governments we don't like

Say what you will but the Policy of Containment and use of realpolitik in the Cold War was one of the most brilliant foreign policy concepts the US has ever developed and executed. Back then it wasn't about toppling governments we don't like; it was about toppling governments that were potential Soviet allies.

That being said it doesn't work quite the well in other applications. The toppling of Assad, Hussein, and Qaddafi were the wrong stances to take.

I don't mind it during Cold War, but some things are just.. odd.

Speaking of which, was the Iranian government we toppled (which was democratic), pro russian?

No, we fucked up in Iran plain and simple.

We didn't topple Mosaddegh because we were under the suspicion of him being pro-Soviet, Mosaddegh was actually disgusted with socialism and was very openly anti-Soviet We were pressured into it by England because they were losing their grip on Iran's oil industry.

Mosaddegh tried to relinquish the British control on Iran and it's main resource and make his country somewhat more independent of foreign rule, rightfully so, and that was his undoing.

That's a damn shame

Not much else to say on that. I'll read more on it later, but thanks for telling me. Wonder how different it'd be if he wasn't toppled.

Quote from: Fagcicle on December 15, 2015, 09:27:24 PM

I have never seen a political party so visibly fractured.

I know right?

This is fucking great.

You've got 9 people, under the same time, with 9 vastly different stances on issues and who seemingly have no stances of agreement.

I see a brokered convention one way or another.