It fucks the middle class, mostly. Personally, I (and hundreds of coworkers) lost 40% of my hours at my college job because my employer couldn't afford to pay healthcare and would have been required to do so over a certain number of hours. It does nothing to address the actual issues pervading the US healthcare system (notably, price hiking by insurance and obscene fees). It's not even socialized, it's just making poor people buy shit they don't often need or want, or if they really can't afford it making someone else pay for it. Yeah it's great that some people that needed insurance now have it, but it's just an awful piece of legislation that did far more long-term damage than can be outweighed by short-term progress of signing more people up for health insurance.
but it honestly seems the Republicans are saying "repeal Obamacare and overhaul", but they've not once mentioned WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO DIFFERENT >:C.
Quote from: Luciana on January 04, 2016, 11:42:06 PMBut can you please tell me why people actually being able to get, what is considering by every other 1st world western nation, a basic human right, that healthcare is bad?"Everybody else is doing it" means nothing. Services are not a right.This is probably an issue where we're not going to be able to come to an agreement, because I do not believe in positive rights, only negative rights. The idea that it is a person's right to receive something from someone else is ridiculous and offensive.I don't really think a state-backed or state-run medical system is all that problematic if you're going to have a state in the first place (which, I think, you shouldn't). It may even be good policy depending on the situation.But calling it a "right" is fucking stupid.
But can you please tell me why people actually being able to get, what is considering by every other 1st world western nation, a basic human right, that healthcare is bad?
Quote from: Luciana on January 04, 2016, 11:45:28 PMbut it honestly seems the Republicans are saying "repeal Obamacare and overhaul", but they've not once mentioned WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO DIFFERENT >:C.Well yeah but President Obama didn't do much different when he was running, either. The general outline didn't at all compare to the massive piece of legislation the ACC turned out to be.
Still, with people like Cruz and Trump (I'm not counting him) leading, I am not confident in anything of a plan.
Quote from: Luciana on January 04, 2016, 11:51:11 PMStill, with people like Cruz and Trump (I'm not counting him) leading, I am not confident in anything of a plan. Yeah, you shouldn't be. None of the candidates care about replacing the plan as much as President Obama cared about implementing it. It's kind of a shame the ACC turned out the way it did, because after all that effort we could've seen some real healthcare reform that addressed the root of the problems.
Very few reasons to vote for him m8.+Decent tax plan+Doesn't give a fuck about offending people or being controversial+Dislikes political correctness-Wants to stay out of the Middle East
-Protectionist-Immigration plans are emotion-based and poorly thought-out
-Will be weak on Russia
-Both parties hate him, would not get along with any Congress-Usually doesn't give much substance in terms of solutions other than "I would do better"
-Narcissistic-Doesn't seem very intelligent-Lies a lot
Please tell me what's wrong with his plan,
There must be a wall across the southern border.
Mexico must pay for the wall
Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.
Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa.
End birthright citizenship.
The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage.
Requirement to hire American workers first.
Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.
Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers
The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated
Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers.
Quote author=Cadenza link=topic=54594.msg1094694#msg1094694 date=1451973813]-Lies a lotIgnoring the first two, when has he ever lied?
author=Cadenza link=topic=54594.msg1094694#msg1094694 date=1451973813]-Lies a lot
I see that you're capable of taking quotes, now can you answer the questions?
Wrong. And in every single rally he does Trump always makes it a point to mention that he's going to settle business with Iran and ISIS.
Please tell me what's wrong with his plan, and how everyone else's immigration plan isn't emotionally based.
Not sure what you mean by this
These are almost fair points though, he doesn't give substance in his speeches but they are there on his site, and most of his plans seem to rest on congress letting him do what he wants which is still uncertain.
Ignoring the first two, when has he ever lied?
Claims he'll get along well with Putin based on his brief meeting with him on 60 minutes
Quote from: Maverick on January 05, 2016, 12:24:11 AMClaims he'll get along well with Putin based on his brief meeting with him on 60 minutesThe funny thing is they didn't actually meet. They did that interview in two separate countries. He was lying.
Quote from: Cadenza on January 05, 2016, 12:21:15 AMI see that you're capable of taking quotes, now can you answer the questions?Are you illiterate?
taking quotes does not tell me what's wrong with his plan liked I asked.
Quote from: Auld Lang Turkey on January 05, 2016, 12:24:02 AMQuote from: Cadenza on January 05, 2016, 12:21:15 AMI see that you're capable of taking quotes, now can you answer the questions?Are you illiterate?Are you? I asked you several questions and you didn't say a single damn thing, taking quotes does not tell me what's wrong with his plan liked I asked.You do know that quoting someone isn't an argument right?
Quote from: Cadenza on January 05, 2016, 12:03:33 AMWrong. And in every single rally he does Trump always makes it a point to mention that he's going to settle business with Iran and ISIS."Syria’s a mess. You look at what’s going on with ISIS in there, now think of this: we’re fighting ISIS. ISIS wants to fight Syria. Why are we fighting ISIS in Syria? Let them fight each other and pick up the remnants."
QuotePlease tell me what's wrong with his plan, and how everyone else's immigration plan isn't emotionally based.Not sure what I can say about this that hasn't already been said. It looks like Turkey has it covered though.
QuoteNot sure what you mean by thisClaims he'll get along well with Putin based on his brief meeting with him on 60 minutes. Regardless he proposes no plans on the matter.
QuoteThese are almost fair points though, he doesn't give substance in his speeches but they are there on his site, and most of his plans seem to rest on congress letting him do what he wants which is still uncertain.I'll check out the site.QuoteIgnoring the first two, when has he ever lied?http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/He always gets in a disagreement with someone regarding facts during the Republican debates and his never seem to check out.
Quote from: Cadenza on January 05, 2016, 12:32:49 AMtaking quotes does not tell me what's wrong with his plan liked I asked.I read his planand found the shitty partsand told you about themNow you know what is wrong with his plan. You're welcome, friend
Quote from: Cadenza on January 05, 2016, 12:32:49 AMQuote from: Auld Lang Turkey on January 05, 2016, 12:24:02 AMQuote from: Cadenza on January 05, 2016, 12:21:15 AMI see that you're capable of taking quotes, now can you answer the questions?Are you illiterate?Are you? I asked you several questions and you didn't say a single damn thing, taking quotes does not tell me what's wrong with his plan liked I asked.You do know that quoting someone isn't an argument right?He probably didn't think what's wrong with the plan needs to be explained, no offense. I mean it probably sounds good to low-information voters but whenever he's pressed as to how he's going to implement these things, his answer is rarely more than "I just will". Virtually every Republican aside from Cruz considers it unrealistic.
that's too vague
-Wants to stay out of the Middle East
Quote from: Maverick on January 04, 2016, 10:42:16 PM-Wants to stay out of the Middle EastHow is staying out of other countries conflicts that takes place thousands of miles away from us a bad thing?
Because he's not Bernie.
Really though
