Really though

PSU · January 04, 2016, 09:49:21 PM

Why shouldn't I vote for Trump?

DAS B00T x2 · January 04, 2016, 09:55:27 PM

Because we all need to stand with Rand.

Mr. Psychologist · January 04, 2016, 09:56:59 PM

You should though.

Thun · January 04, 2016, 10:06:33 PM

Cause he's retarded.

Kiwicake · January 04, 2016, 10:09:07 PM

I heard my parents mention how they thought Trump was a "dangerous person"

I don't know much about their political affiliations, but I thought that was kind of interesting to hear from them

I don't know much about Trump's policies either since I haven't been following the US election all that much, but the ones I have heard sound ridiculous. It feels more like he's doing this for the laughs rather than being an actual serious candidate

Thun · January 04, 2016, 10:20:20 PM

Quote from: Kiwicake on January 04, 2016, 10:09:07 PM

I heard my parents mention how they thought Trump was a "dangerous person"

I don't know much about their political affiliations, but I thought that was kind of interesting to hear from them

I don't know much about Trump's policies either since I haven't been following the US election all that much, but the ones I have heard sound ridiculous. It feels more like he's doing this for the laughs rather than being an actual serious candidate

YouTube

maverick · January 04, 2016, 10:42:16 PM

Very few reasons to vote for him m8.

While four years of Trump wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to America, I can't imagine it would be constructive in the slightest.

He's such a divisive candidate, I can't see the GOP giving him the nom anyway.

Turkey · January 04, 2016, 11:10:42 PM

Because his policies are like a sampling of the worst aspects of both parties. He's also a two-faced hack that supported the democrats publicly for a decade before changing parties when they wouldn't elect him.

Don't elect the liberals' sloppy seconds.

Luciana · January 04, 2016, 11:11:38 PM

If you want to play a fun game, replace the word "muslim" with "Jew" with anything Trump says and he sounds a lot like Hitler.

Not saying he's anything close to him, it's just silly. Like when you add the words "in bed" to the end of every fortune cookie. It works.

Luciana · January 04, 2016, 11:12:17 PM

Quote from: Auld Lang Turkey on January 04, 2016, 11:10:42 PM

Because his policies are like a sampling of the worst aspects of both parties. He's also a two-faced hack that supported the democrats publicly for a decade before changing parties when they wouldn't elect him.

Don't elect the liberals' sloppy seconds.

I feel like the word "liberal" is a buzzword around these parts these days.

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Luciana · January 04, 2016, 11:13:12 PM

Quote from: † on January 04, 2016, 11:12:17 PM

I really don't want the Republican candidate to lose to Sanders or Clinton

They will, because any of them that will win the party nomination are bat shit insane and won't stand up to Clinton (Sanders won't win his parties nomination) at all during the general.

Unless it's Rubio or something. He's the only one in that entire party I see even putting up a fight to her.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 04, 2016, 11:14:15 PM

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Turkey · January 04, 2016, 11:16:38 PM

Quote from: Luciana on January 04, 2016, 11:12:17 PM

Quote from: Auld Lang Turkey on January 04, 2016, 11:10:42 PM
Because his policies are like a sampling of the worst aspects of both parties. He's also a two-faced hack that supported the democrats publicly for a decade before changing parties when they wouldn't elect him.

Don't elect the liberals' sloppy seconds.
I feel like the word "liberal" is a buzzword around these parts these days.

It triggers me but I took my PTSD meds today so it's okay.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 04, 2016, 11:16:45 PM

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Luciana · January 04, 2016, 11:18:25 PM

Quote from: † on January 04, 2016, 11:14:15 PM

Seriously this is retarded and you could conceivably apply it to any candidate. There are legitimate ways to criticize Trump, this just makes you sound stupid.

You left this part out

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Not saying he's anything close to him, it's just silly. Like when you add the words "in bed" to the end of every fortune cookie. It works.

I just said it was silly. I don't have to offer my thoughts of criticism with him because we all know how whacky he is.

Luciana · January 04, 2016, 11:21:14 PM

Quote from: † on January 04, 2016, 11:16:45 PM

I wouldn't be so sure.
Without a black candidate, Democrats are going to lose a lot of the black vote that was so heavily mobilized last time.

There is a pretty big chunk of this country that hates Clinton, and a bigger chunk that would like to avoid her. She only gets a lukewarm response from her own fucking party. She's the Romney of this election cycle. Definitely not as dangerous as the media wants you to think she is.

Obama also got a shit ton of the vote though because he was the face of "new hope" in a very shitty situation at the time. If you capture the young vote, odds are you'll probably win. It was a new face against "old generation" with John McCain. Hence why I say Rubio is the only one I feel would beat her. It'd be the same thing as '08, but flipped.

Still, I think when the election cycle actually kicks in, along with the debates with Clinton and *insert whoever*, it'll get more people excited for voting. I dunno if I'd say she's "dangerous". It's more of "yeah it's gonna happen" with the media and her. The only "dangerous" candidate I see is Rubio. Trump wouldn't survive the general, and neither would Cruz. Carson is basically out at this point but doesn't want to admit it yet. Everyone else is lightyears behind.

Honestly at this point, if Romney was actually still in the race, he'd probably win it. I think it was a mistake he dropped out. He talked about new faces wanting to run, but almost all the new faces are fucking crazy and hated by even their own party.

Kiwicake · January 04, 2016, 11:27:24 PM

Quote from: Thunder on January 04, 2016, 10:20:20 PM

Quote from: Kiwicake on January 04, 2016, 10:09:07 PM
I heard my parents mention how they thought Trump was a "dangerous person"

I don't know much about their political affiliations, but I thought that was kind of interesting to hear from them

I don't know much about Trump's policies either since I haven't been following the US election all that much, but the ones I have heard sound ridiculous. It feels more like he's doing this for the laughs rather than being an actual serious candidate
YouTube

I thought this was satire

Until I walked into the living room and saw the news here talking about it

#votetrump2016

Luciana · January 04, 2016, 11:30:07 PM

Quote from: Kiwicake on January 04, 2016, 11:27:24 PM

Quote from: Thunder on January 04, 2016, 10:20:20 PM
Quote from: Kiwicake on January 04, 2016, 10:09:07 PM
I heard my parents mention how they thought Trump was a "dangerous person"

I don't know much about their political affiliations, but I thought that was kind of interesting to hear from them

I don't know much about Trump's policies either since I haven't been following the US election all that much, but the ones I have heard sound ridiculous. It feels more like he's doing this for the laughs rather than being an actual serious candidate
YouTube

I thought this was satire

Until I walked into the living room and saw the news here talking about it

#votetrump2016

Al shabaab, a sect of ISIS, even use his speeches for recruitment. Trump is an idiot. No amount of tax reform would fix the things he's been saying.

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 04, 2016, 11:32:47 PM

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Luciana · January 04, 2016, 11:34:02 PM

Quote from: † on January 04, 2016, 11:32:06 PM

I agree that Rubio is the last, best hope now.

But yeah, I think a defeat during this cycle would be a big fucking wake-up call for the GOP. I almost want Hillary to win so America finally gets sick of Democrats and the Republicans are forced to get their shit together. I worry about the damage she can do to 2A rights, though, which along with international relations and the environment makes up the big three issues for me. The next four years are really going to suck.

I honestly wouldn't mind a Republican winning if they weren't so adamant about repealing Obamacare without an actual plan of their own. Now that I'm actually going out in the job world and not on my parents healthcare, it KINDA GETS SCARY for me when they're just ready to fuck over millions of people already on something.

Like, I at least want to hear what they have first instead of the debate drinking game "repeal obamacare" (you take a drink every time they throw it in one of their answers. You'll get drunk quick).

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That little tidbit aside though, yeah. Rubio seems like the only candidate who has their head on straight, who might actually get the nomination. Ideally I'd want Kasich. I just hate that the GOP has turned more into the Tea Party now than anything else. Or maybe it's just a general thing that both parties are going in opposite directions.

Luciana · January 04, 2016, 11:35:43 PM

Quote from: † on January 04, 2016, 11:32:47 PM

Quote from: Luciana on January 04, 2016, 11:30:07 PM
Al shabaab, a sect of ISIS, even use his speeches for recruitment. Trump is an idiot. No amount of tax reform would fix the things he's been saying.
I never looked into it but the general consensus on the Chans is that this isn't true.

Just google "Al Shabaab trump" and take a poke around. Seems like it is.

Turkey · January 04, 2016, 11:36:52 PM

Quote from: Luciana on January 04, 2016, 11:34:02 PM

it KINDA GETS SCARY for me when they're just ready to fuck over millions of people already on something.

Stay on your parents' healthcare until you're 25 if you need to. The ACC fucked over quite a few people already, and continues to do so.

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Luciana · January 04, 2016, 11:38:08 PM

Quote from: Auld Lang Turkey on January 04, 2016, 11:36:52 PM

Quote from: Luciana on January 04, 2016, 11:34:02 PM
it KINDA GETS SCARY for me when they're just ready to fuck over millions of people already on something.

Stay on your parents' healthcare until you're 25 if you need to. The ACC fucked over quite a few people already, and continues to do so.

How is it fucking them over?

I'm not refuting what you're saying, I'm honestly curious. I won't lie, how the ACC clashes with other healthcare companies is something I am insanely ignorant about.

Luciana · January 04, 2016, 11:38:58 PM

Quote from: † on January 04, 2016, 11:37:50 PM

My dad has healthcare now thanks to the ACC, so I'm a lot more sympathetic to it than I should be, but it really is kinda fucked up.

My thought on it is...

it's not perfect

but it sure is a hell of a lot better than what we had before. It's laying the foundations down for something better. Something that DOES need improvement, but at least it's something. We may have the best healthcare in the world, but when nobody can afford it, it's kind of not the best if you ask me.

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Luciana · January 04, 2016, 11:42:06 PM

Quote from: † on January 04, 2016, 11:40:04 PM

It's really not laying the foundations for anything better. Unless you consider single-payer to be better, in which case you're just wrong.

I'm not gonna argue ideologies with you right now, because it'd just spawn into an entire different thing.

But can you please tell me why people actually being able to get, what is considering by every other 1st world western nation, a basic human right, that healthcare is bad?

It's the same as insurance for cars last I checked, where you're forced to get insurance for your cars or you pay a fine.

And again, I'd like to stress I'm not saying what you believe is wrong, I am more willing to learn more about this than anything.

Turkey · January 04, 2016, 11:42:27 PM

Quote from: Luciana on January 04, 2016, 11:38:08 PM

Quote from: Auld Lang Turkey on January 04, 2016, 11:36:52 PM
Quote from: Luciana on January 04, 2016, 11:34:02 PM
it KINDA GETS SCARY for me when they're just ready to fuck over millions of people already on something.

Stay on your parents' healthcare until you're 25 if you need to. The ACC fucked over quite a few people already, and continues to do so.
How is it fucking them over?

I'm not refuting what you're saying, I'm honestly curious. I won't lie, how the ACC clashes with other healthcare companies is something I am insanely ignorant about.

It fucks the middle class, mostly. Personally, I (and hundreds of coworkers) lost 40% of my hours at my college job because my employer couldn't afford to pay healthcare and would have been required to do so over a certain number of hours. It does nothing to address the actual issues pervading the US healthcare system (notably, price hiking by insurance and obscene fees). It's not even socialized, it's just making poor people buy shit they don't often need or want, or if they really can't afford it making someone else pay for it. Yeah it's great that some people that needed insurance now have it, but it's just an awful piece of legislation that did far more long-term damage than can be outweighed by short-term progress of signing more people up for health insurance.