Rand Paul wants to dissolve the Fed.

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In 2000 the stock market, bloated by earlier Fed rate cuts, started falling when the tech bubble burst. Markets bottomed out in 2002, as the Fed slashed rates. Although people hailed then-chairman Alan Greenspan as “the Maestro” for providing a so-called soft landing, in hindsight he simply replaced the dot-com bubble with a housing bubble.

When the housing bubble eventually burst, the crisis was much worse than in 2000. When Lehman Brothers failed in September 2008, it seemed as if the whole financial infrastructure was in jeopardy. And Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke followed the same playbook: cut interest rates.

When near-zero-percent interest rates did not jump-start the economy, the Fed launched a series of “quantitative easing” (QE) programs, buying unprecedented amounts of Treasurys and mortgage-backed securities. The Fed has roughly quintupled its balance sheet, going from $905 billion in early September 2008 to almost $4.5 trillion today.

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At its core, the market economy is a homeostatic mechanism that self-corrects by cleansing mistakes from the system. When policy makers—in the Fed or Congress—try to spare us from all pain, they cripple that mechanism and ironically make the system vulnerable to a major crash.

Can't say I agree.


 
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Rand Paul is such a moron. Where was this homeostatic mechanism that corrected the Eurozone economies when they didn't pursue monetary stimulus?

The housing bubble is also oft-misunderstood. It's probably the case that Greenspan left rates too low for too long on account of an output gap (which was, more than likely, a productivity boom they couldn't identify), but there is also the fact that the decline in underwriting practices was led primarily by private banks allowed to operate under a poor regulatory structure (with incentives from the HUD for good measure). The problem with the housing bubble wasn't that it put stress on banks; economies can actually perform rather well even as the financial system seems to be falling down around our ears. The primary issue with the housing bubble was that--when prices crashed--it led to a consumption shock among highly-leveraged households who suddenly found themselves in negative equity, which was then exacerbated by foreclosures which led to more declines in house prices and so on, so forth.

It's also worth noting that the Federal Reserve drastically worsened/caused the Recession by (probably) popping the house price bubble and then contracting even more by raising the IOR in mid-2008, with Lehman failing a few months after.

Basically, we had a housing bubble due to a number of bad incentives and a poor regulatory structure, which was then popped when the fed began tightening in 2007 which led to a consumption shock. The Fed didn't offset this consumption shock, tightened even more and then plunged the country into an even deeper recession. Falling nGDP probably made the issue with toxic mortgage debt in the financial system worse, and the banking system began to collapse.


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Basically, we had a housing bubble due to a number of bad incentives and a poor regulatory structure, which was then popped when the fed began tightening in 2007 which led to a consumption shock. The Fed didn't offset this consumption shock, tightened even more and then plunged the country into an even deeper recession. Falling nGDP probably made the issue with toxic mortgage debt in the financial system worse, and the banking system began to collapse.

This is not a very convincing defense of the Fed.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.

Basically, we had a housing bubble due to a number of bad incentives and a poor regulatory structure, which was then popped when the fed began tightening in 2007 which led to a consumption shock. The Fed didn't offset this consumption shock, tightened even more and then plunged the country into an even deeper recession. Falling nGDP probably made the issue with toxic mortgage debt in the financial system worse, and the banking system began to collapse.

This is not a very convincing defense of the Fed.
It's not supposed to be; almost all Recessions are due to mistakes in monetary policy. It's also the case that almost all Recessions are solved by monetary stimulus. Paul has no evidence for this "homeostatic" correction mechanism, and thinking that because the Fed fails quite substantially numerous times we'd be better off without it is a dangerous idea at best.


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Basically, we had a housing bubble due to a number of bad incentives and a poor regulatory structure, which was then popped when the fed began tightening in 2007 which led to a consumption shock. The Fed didn't offset this consumption shock, tightened even more and then plunged the country into an even deeper recession. Falling nGDP probably made the issue with toxic mortgage debt in the financial system worse, and the banking system began to collapse.

This is not a very convincing defense of the Fed.
It's not supposed to be; almost all Recessions are due to mistakes in monetary policy. It's also the case that almost all Recessions are solved by monetary stimulus. Paul has no evidence for this "homeostatic" correction mechanism, and thinking that because the Fed fails quite substantially numerous times we'd be better off without it is a dangerous idea at best.

I think he's going for the rationale that a free market will tend to correct problems naturally without government influence.


 
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I think he's going for the rationale that a free market will tend to correct problems naturally without government influence.
My point being very few economists agree with him, and the evidence for this is practically non-existent.


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I think he's going for the rationale that a free market will tend to correct problems naturally without government influence.
My point being very few economists agree with him, and the evidence for this is practically non-existent.

Milton Friedman (PBUH) supported replacing the Fed with a mathematics/computer-based system. Though I don't think that's at all the same as Paul's claim that the market will just fix itself.
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Milton Friedman (PBUH) supported replacing the Fed with a mathematics/computer-based system.
Friedman disavowed his prior policy recommendations when it came to Fed targeting the money supply later in life, but the idea of rules rather than discretion being used isn't taboo among economists. Many of them do indeed think monetary policy should be conducted along the lines of certain rules; but as you say, this isn't the same as actually abolishing the Fed and returning to a gold standard, or implementing a free banking system.


 
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Milton Friedman (PBUH) supported replacing the Fed with a mathematics/computer-based system.
Friedman disavowed his prior policy recommendations when it came to Fed targeting the money supply later in life, but the idea of rules rather than discretion being used isn't taboo among economists. Many of them do indeed think monetary policy should be conducted along the lines of certain rules; but as you say, this isn't the same as actually abolishing the Fed and returning to a gold standard, or implementing a free banking system.

Hold up, does Paul actually believe in reverting to a gold standard?


 
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Hold up, does Paul actually believe in reverting to a gold standard?
I know Papa Paul does, but I don't know about Baby Paul. I don't know of any other system to replace a central bank other than a reversion to the gold standard or having competition between currencies. He has spoken rather positively about a specie-backed currency though:
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Despite the stability of prices, however, Paul has gone even farther than some of his Republican colleagues, speaking approvingly of the gold standard. On the gold standard, a dollar was worth a fixed weight in gold, which at least ensured that the prices of other things wouldn't change much over the long term.

"We need to think about our currency that once upon a time had a link to a commodity, and I think we should study it," he said in 2013. He did not, however, advocate for a return to the gold standard, but only for a commission to study the idea.


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The republican party is like one big mental asylum


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lol didn't one of the wankers here actually support him? Bring out the tar and feathers!


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lol didn't one of the wankers here actually support him? Bring out the tar and feathers!


 
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Every candidate has their fair share of caveats.


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The republican party is like one big mental asylum

I'd argue that the democrats are even worse. Given that the front runner as of now seems to be Hillary "Female Nixon but worse" Clinton.


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TBH I've known about his position on this for a while, it just didn't mean anything to me because I have no understanding of the mechanisms of our economy. ;_;


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I have no understanding of the mechanisms of our economy. ;_;


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I'd argue that the democrats are even worse. Given that the front runner as of now seems to be Hillary "Female Nixon but worse" Clinton.

Nixon was actually pretty good up until Watergate.


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The republican party is like one big mental asylum

I'd argue that the democrats are even worse. Given that the front runner as of now seems to be Hillary "Female Nixon but worse" Clinton.

Nixon was actually pretty good up until Watergate.

Yeah, I agree. I just used him because throughout the U.S. he's seen as synonymous with political corruption.


 
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The republican party is like one big mental asylum

I'd argue that the democrats are even worse. Given that the front runner as of now seems to be Hillary "Female Nixon but worse" Clinton.

Nixon was actually pretty good up until Watergate.
>wage and price controls

wat


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The republican party is like one big mental asylum

I'd argue that the democrats are even worse. Given that the front runner as of now seems to be Hillary "Female Nixon but worse" Clinton.

Nixon was actually pretty good up until Watergate.
>wage and price controls

wat
Nobody's perfect. I wasn't speaking strictly from an economic perspective.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
The republican party is like one big mental asylum

I'd argue that the democrats are even worse. Given that the front runner as of now seems to be Hillary "Female Nixon but worse" Clinton.

Nixon was actually pretty good up until Watergate.
>wage and price controls

wat
Nobody's perfect. I wasn't speaking strictly from an economic perspective.
What else did he do, besides found the EPA and pressure his secretaries to nuke Korea?


 
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The republican party is like one big mental asylum

I'd argue that the democrats are even worse. Given that the front runner as of now seems to be Hillary "Female Nixon but worse" Clinton.

Nixon was actually pretty good up until Watergate.
>wage and price controls

wat
Nobody's perfect. I wasn't speaking strictly from an economic perspective.
What else did he do, besides found the EPA and pressure his secretaries to nuke Korea?

I'll take Ending the Vietnam War for $500, Alex. Maybe throw in the moon landing and a lot of progress in space exploration under his administration, and quite a lot of other foreign and domestic policy. Not to mention, there's a lot of misconception about what Nixon actually did in regard to Watergate. He didn't order the break-in or theft, and was upset that it happened when he was told after-the-fact. His 'crime' was to stop the investigation because it would have publicized information on some guy named Howard Hunt, whom many believe to be involved in some (legal) covert stuff that he didn't want out in the open.


 
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I'll take Ending the Vietnam War for $500

But he's also the reason it went on as long as it did. He had peace the negotiations sabotaged so he could run on the Vietnam war during his campaign.


 
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