If you're arguing that it stems from ancestors... you aren't really refuting anything here. All I said is that races aren't a social construct because it's defined by hereditary commonality.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on April 27, 2015, 09:10:27 PMIf you're arguing that it stems from ancestors... you aren't really refuting anything here. All I said is that races aren't a social construct because it's defined by hereditary commonality.well, it obviously stems from ancestors--that's the whole idea behind genetics and hereditary traits like sickle cell and suchyou brought up the sickle cell thing and implied that it had anything to do with race, so i tackled that
Quote from: Saerveyn on April 27, 2015, 09:09:54 PMIn this thread:>Correlation = Causation>No presence of historical awareness>Extremely Eurocentric/Americentric viewpointsIn essence, you niggas are stupidExpand upon you meme arrows my Germanic compatriot.
In this thread:>Correlation = Causation>No presence of historical awareness>Extremely Eurocentric/Americentric viewpointsIn essence, you niggas are stupid
not to mention, "black people are more likely to commit a crime"yeah, maybe statisticallybut not genetically
"hereditary commonality" is awfully vague by the wayyou can argue that skin color, hair texture, etc. etc. are what "separates" the races, but i mean, no one's arguing about that stuff--that's not what makes a social constructwhat makes a social construct is when you start saying shit like, "he's yellow, so he's just inherently better at math than us"or, "he's black, so he can run faster than us"those are the socially constructed myths that are being refuted
People seem to be assuming that just because a race has a larger probability of receiving some disease, that it is due to some level of "racial traits"rather than simply being...you know, a correlation.
That's more along the lines of ethnicity, though.
Even then it's based on misconceptions; -snip-
Quote from: Saerveyn on April 27, 2015, 09:23:39 PMPeople seem to be assuming that just because a race has a larger probability of receiving some disease, that it is due to some level of "racial traits"rather than simply being...you know, a correlation.Take sickle cell anemia for example. To say it's just a "black person disease" is wrong, because we know that race isn't specifically tied to skin color; a biracial person that physically appears to be one or the other (I.E., Barack Obama appears to be black despite being biracial) could very well be susceptible to certain medical or genetic conditions because of their genotype. Sickle cell anemia in Africans evolved as a way to combat Malaria, which is why black people are more prone to having it. So no, it's not at all just a mere correlation, it's an actual trait of the race, and it's relevant outside of the limited scope of society.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on April 27, 2015, 09:32:43 PMThat's more along the lines of ethnicity, though.well again, i barely even understand the difference, and even then, i'd probably just argue that it's a bit of a semantic one from what i do know about itQuoteEven then it's based on misconceptions; -snip-that's what i'm sayingso the difference lies in our definitions in race and ethnicityi was under the impression that they're basically the same exact thing, with some... nebulous differenceslike... cultural shitbut i mean, discussion of race is ALSO a discussion of cultureyou'll often hear terms like "black culture" tossed aroundthey're the same
Quote from: Verbatim on April 27, 2015, 09:38:46 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on April 27, 2015, 09:32:43 PMThat's more along the lines of ethnicity, though.well again, i barely even understand the difference, and even then, i'd probably just argue that it's a bit of a semantic one from what i do know about itQuoteEven then it's based on misconceptions; -snip-that's what i'm sayingso the difference lies in our definitions in race and ethnicityi was under the impression that they're basically the same exact thing, with some... nebulous differenceslike... cultural shitbut i mean, discussion of race is ALSO a discussion of cultureyou'll often hear terms like "black culture" tossed aroundthey're the same"Black" being used interchangeably with African American (ethnicity). Hint: Blacks in America do not have the same culture as blacks in the UK, African countries, Japan, etc.
"Black" being used interchangeably with African American (ethnicity). Hint: Blacks in America do not have the same culture as blacks in the UK, African countries, Japan, etc.
The only reason it is more likely to occur in blacks is because blacks are more likely to draw their heritage to Africa than whites. If a white person could trace their ancestry back to Africa, which many can do with ease, they would no doubt also be more likely to develop sickle cell anemia.A white man from Zimbabwe would likely be more prone to the development of said disease than, say, a black man from Haiti. Therefore it is not a trait of the race, but simply a trait that tends to effect more members of a certain race due to the likelihood of that race to trace its ethnic lineage to a certain area of the world.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on April 27, 2015, 09:41:47 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 27, 2015, 09:38:46 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on April 27, 2015, 09:32:43 PMThat's more along the lines of ethnicity, though.well again, i barely even understand the difference, and even then, i'd probably just argue that it's a bit of a semantic one from what i do know about itQuoteEven then it's based on misconceptions; -snip-that's what i'm sayingso the difference lies in our definitions in race and ethnicityi was under the impression that they're basically the same exact thing, with some... nebulous differenceslike... cultural shitbut i mean, discussion of race is ALSO a discussion of cultureyou'll often hear terms like "black culture" tossed aroundthey're the same"Black" being used interchangeably with African American (ethnicity). Hint: Blacks in America do not have the same culture as blacks in the UK, African countries, Japan, etc.>Blacks in JapanLol
Quote from: Prime Meridia on April 27, 2015, 09:41:47 PM"Black" being used interchangeably with African American (ethnicity). Hint: Blacks in America do not have the same culture as blacks in the UK, African countries, Japan, etc.well yeah, but to me, that only further shows that it's a social construct...you'd rather just call it ethnicity, but i'll go ahead and take it one step further
That was ethnicity I was just describing, Verb.Race = GeneticsEthnicity = Genetics + CultureEthnicity is impacted by social expectations/perceptions. Race isn't.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on April 27, 2015, 09:51:31 PMThat was ethnicity I was just describing, Verb.Race = GeneticsEthnicity = Genetics + CultureEthnicity is impacted by social expectations/perceptions. Race isn't.says who, exactly?i would argue, as i stated earlier, that race includes culture as welllike... why can't it
Here's a PBS article with experts in the field explaining the differences.
First of all, race is primarily unitary. You can only have one race, while you can claim multiple ethnic affiliations. You can identify ethnically as Irish and Polish, but you have to be essentially either black or white.
I think the most powerful argument about the differentiation between race and ethnicity is that race becomes institutionalized in a way that has profound social consequences on the members of different groups.
One could argue that they're both illusory and imagined. But racial categories have had a much more concrete impact on peoples' lives, because they've been used to discriminate and to distribute resources unequally and set up different standards for protection under law.
On his census card, he would put "caucasian" or "African american". There isn't a mixed category.
And he's saying what I am. Correlation of violence to blacks in America is skewed in a way that negatively reflects on the individual because of their skin instead of their culture. This leads to the assumption that someone from Compton will act the same as someone from Johanessburg.
In terms of identification, you go by majority lineage; if you're from Scandinavian descent, but three generations back on your father's side you have an Asian person, you aren't Asian. Same thing here: Obama is black because given that it only traces back one generation, his ancestry is practically 50-50. On his census card, he would put "white" or "African american (black)". There isn't a mixed category.And he's saying what I am. Correlation of violence to blacks in America is skewed in a way that negatively reflects on the individual because of their skin instead of their culture. This leads to the assumption that someone from Compton will act the same as someone from Johanessburg.
Race being a Social Construct has a fair amount of truth in it.
