Quiz: How many bills has Obama vetoed? [no cheating/Googling]

Mad Max · February 24, 2015, 04:58:41 PM

Today, President Obama vetoed the bill to approve the Keystone XL Pipeline. Which veto number was this?

Answer:

President Barack Obama has officially vetoed a bill to approve the Keystone XL pipeline, marking his third rejection of congressionally approved legislation during his six years in office.

Here are the other two vetoes

More Than Mortal · February 24, 2015, 05:01:10 PM

I knew it was low, but three?

Fuck me. That's awful.

Mad Max · February 24, 2015, 05:09:46 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 24, 2015, 05:01:10 PM

I knew it was low, but three?

Fuck me. That's awful.

Right? I think that number is hilarious in contrast to the picture that [American] conservatives like to paint of Obama being some iron-fisted ruler who won't let anything pass.

Turkey · February 24, 2015, 05:09:51 PM

I wonder to what degree this veto will expedite OPEC's effort to bankrupt domestic oil producers.

More Than Mortal · February 24, 2015, 05:13:18 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 24, 2015, 05:09:46 PM

Right? I think that number is hilarious in contrast to the picture that [American] conservatives like to paint of Obama being some iron-fisted ruler who won't let anything pass.

I really don't get why conservatives hate the use of vetoes.

I mean, vetoes are a good thing, they temper the excesses of the legislature; the two biggest vetoers post-Kennedy were Ford and Reagan. I'd criticise Obama for not using the veto enough.

But conservatives who hate the use of vetoes in the first place? Yeah, they're probably fucking worse.

More Than Mortal · February 24, 2015, 05:13:58 PM

I will say, however, that I don't approve of this specific veto.

PSU · February 24, 2015, 05:15:56 PM

My liberal alt is at it again

Nick McIntyre · February 24, 2015, 05:31:12 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 24, 2015, 05:13:18 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 24, 2015, 05:09:46 PM
Right? I think that number is hilarious in contrast to the picture that [American] conservatives like to paint of Obama being some iron-fisted ruler who won't let anything pass.
I really don't get why conservatives hate the use of vetoes.

I mean, vetoes are a good thing, they temper the excesses of the legislature; the two biggest vetoers post-Kennedy were Ford and Reagan. I'd criticise Obama for not using the veto enough.

But conservatives who hate the use of vetoes in the first place? Yeah, they're probably fucking worse.

They were kissing Bush Junior's feet when he vetoed just about every damn thing in sight. It's just that when Obama does it, it's the end of the fucking world.

Septy · February 24, 2015, 05:33:56 PM

DAS B00T x2 · February 24, 2015, 05:44:32 PM

Dang, I thought five.

Turkey · February 24, 2015, 05:44:37 PM

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on February 24, 2015, 05:31:12 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 24, 2015, 05:13:18 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on February 24, 2015, 05:09:46 PM
Right? I think that number is hilarious in contrast to the picture that [American] conservatives like to paint of Obama being some iron-fisted ruler who won't let anything pass.
I really don't get why conservatives hate the use of vetoes.

I mean, vetoes are a good thing, they temper the excesses of the legislature; the two biggest vetoers post-Kennedy were Ford and Reagan. I'd criticise Obama for not using the veto enough.

But conservatives who hate the use of vetoes in the first place? Yeah, they're probably fucking worse.

They were kissing Bush Junior's feet when he vetoed just about every damn thing in sight. It's just that when Obama does it, it's the end of the fucking world.

Bush only vetoed 12 things.

Forgewolf · February 24, 2015, 10:51:36 PM

So in other words.. Obama allowed more shit to pass. We need a topic about all the things he DID sign or allowed to pass. You can't possibly tell me during his whole presidency, only three bills were shit.

Mad Max · February 25, 2015, 12:01:16 AM

Quote from: Forgewolf on February 24, 2015, 10:51:36 PM

So in other words.. Obama allowed more shit to pass. We need a topic about all the things he DID sign or allowed to pass. You can't possibly tell me during his whole presidency, only three bills were shit.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/signed-legislation

Turkey · February 25, 2015, 07:48:17 AM

For illuminati fans, it's good to note that Warren Buffett was against the pipeline because he owns railroads currently used to transport oil. It's more expensive and far more dangerous than the pipeline, but at least we're saving the environment, right?

The Lord Slide Rule · February 25, 2015, 09:46:39 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 25, 2015, 07:48:17 AM

For illuminati fans, it's good to note that Warren Buffett was against the pipeline because he owns railroads currently used to transport oil. It's more expensive and far more dangerous than the pipeline, but at least we're saving the environment, right?

llloominorty

Mad Max · February 25, 2015, 10:00:55 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 25, 2015, 07:48:17 AM

For illuminati fans, it's good to note that Warren Buffett was against the pipeline because he owns railroads currently used to transport oil. It's more expensive and far more dangerous than the pipeline, but at least we're saving the environment, right?

That's not even an Illuminati thing - that's just capitalism.

More Than Mortal · February 25, 2015, 11:14:23 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 25, 2015, 10:00:55 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 25, 2015, 07:48:17 AM
For illuminati fans, it's good to note that Warren Buffett was against the pipeline because he owns railroads currently used to transport oil. It's more expensive and far more dangerous than the pipeline, but at least we're saving the environment, right?
That's not even an Illuminati thing - that's just capitalism.

How is artificially depressing competition via government policy capitalism?

Mad Max · February 25, 2015, 11:34:35 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 25, 2015, 11:14:23 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 25, 2015, 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 25, 2015, 07:48:17 AM
For illuminati fans, it's good to note that Warren Buffett was against the pipeline because he owns railroads currently used to transport oil. It's more expensive and far more dangerous than the pipeline, but at least we're saving the environment, right?
That's not even an Illuminati thing - that's just capitalism.
How is artificially depressing competition via government policy capitalism?

How isn't it? They're using the system to gain the best business advantage.

More Than Mortal · February 25, 2015, 11:46:13 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 25, 2015, 11:34:35 AM

How isn't it? They're using the system to gain the best business advantage.

Like the way private businesses do that in Russia?

Because Russia's so obviously a paragon of capitalism. Government favours are not a part of capitalism.

Mad Max · February 25, 2015, 12:49:36 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 25, 2015, 11:46:13 AM

Government favours are not a part of capitalism.

Why not? The beauty of capitalism is having the freedom to do what you want with the money you have earned.

More Than Mortal · February 25, 2015, 12:58:33 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 25, 2015, 12:49:36 PM

Why not? The beauty of capitalism is having the freedom to do what you want with the money you have earned.

Hence buying favours from the government, which precludes that freedom to others, is anti-capitalistic. There's literally not a single capitalist economist who genuinely advances this kind of economy, which is why we call it crony capitalism or, in its most extreme form, corporatism. It is a perversion of capitalism.

I mean, why else would people like libertarians and Milton Friedman and Alan Greenspan decry the purchasing of governmental favours which hinder competition and freedom?

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Mad Max · February 25, 2015, 03:51:19 PM

Quote from: Arm The Mob on February 25, 2015, 03:22:15 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 25, 2015, 11:34:35 AM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 25, 2015, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Mad Max on February 25, 2015, 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 25, 2015, 07:48:17 AM
For illuminati fans, it's good to note that Warren Buffett was against the pipeline because he owns railroads currently used to transport oil. It's more expensive and far more dangerous than the pipeline, but at least we're saving the environment, right?
That's not even an Illuminati thing - that's just capitalism.
How is artificially depressing competition via government policy capitalism?
How isn't it? They're using the system to gain the best business advantage.
You really don't understand the focus on competition in capitalism, do you?

They gotta find a better way to compete with Buffett and Co, then.

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Quiz: How many bills has Obama vetoed? [no cheating/Googling]

Quiz: How many bills has Obama vetoed? [no cheating/Googling]