Risk vs reward, I don't really think you can compare sex to drugs. Just be safe and fuck.

sure you fucking can

all that dopamine? fuck

sex is a drug--and like all drugs, you don't want to get addicted to that shit

and the best way not to get addicted is to abstain from it entirely

Quote from: Cindy on December 30, 2015, 01:37:03 PM

Risk vs reward, I don't really think you can compare sex to drugs. Just be safe and fuck.

sure you fucking can

all that dopamine? fuck

sex is a drug--and like all drugs, you don't want to get addicted to that shit

and the best way not to get addicted is to abstain from it entirely

Wait a minute...

Sex is a drug? You're kidding right?
You are saying to not have sex at all, even though that is the main survival instinct of humanity, and (believe it or not) an important part in a relationship?

Quote from: Pipsqueak on December 30, 2015, 02:56:25 PM

Wait a minute...

Sex is a drug? You're kidding right?
You are saying to not have sex at all, even though that is the main survival instinct of humanity, and (believe it or not) an important part in a relationship?

1. humans need to go extinct, so that's a moot point
2. i have nothing against sex for the sake of intimacy

we're talking about promiscuity and flings and stuff like that

if you're sexually promiscuous, you're dirty and disgusting and no one should ever commit to you
if you have a problem with that, then cut the act and clean yourself up

My opinion of you has gone down.

Don't know what stick is up your ass about this.
Or is it even a stick?

Quote from: Pipsqueak on December 30, 2015, 02:59:41 PM

My opinion of you has gone down.

i don't give a fuck

Quote

Don't know what stick is up your ass about this.
Or is it even a stick?

do you have an argument

I'm just gonna say agree to disagree.

I've never been a good at debates, and the family in-laws are coming over so don't really need to be in an even worse mood.

Quote from: Cindy on December 30, 2015, 10:55:10 AM

Okay, yes. Almost everything is "momentary bliss". Money is momentary bliss, friendship is momentary bliss, ANYTHING that's fun is momentary bliss. I've never understood this argument from either you or Verb - it doesn't make any sense. Just because something isn't permanent doesn't make it less valuable - else we'd all just be Tibetan Buddhist monks.

the difference is that nothing--nothing of value is gained from any of that shit

if something makes you happy and actually contributes to society, then do that

if people just did that--well, stuff wouldn't suck as much

There's nothing wrong with indulging here and there.

or find a better hobby

Catering to your own desires is a positive thing if it allows you to maintain the mood and drive necessary to do service to other people. Whether or not you think those desires are stupid really doesn't matter if it's not harmful, as long as that person is helping themselves and others.

i'm just saying--i think if you really take the effort to soul search, you can find yourself a hobby that you not only enjoy, but also helps or entertains others at the same time

i have--why can't anyone else

I agree, but like I said, we all prefer to have some things to enjoy on our own, no?

No

i don't--that's the entire point of asceticism

if i had it my way, i'd eliminate every last one of my personal desires that only benefit me--i occasionally masturbate, and i'm trying to quit that, for example

i want nothing--and everyone else should be the same exact way

Quote from: Winy on December 30, 2015, 03:43:11 PM

I agree, but like I said, we all prefer to have some things to enjoy on our own, no?

No

i don't--that's the entire point of asceticism

if i had it my way, i'd eliminate every last one of my personal desires that only benefit me--i occasionally masturbate, and i'm trying to quit that, for example

i want nothing--and everyone else should be the same exact way

I disagree; everyone has a right to enjoy themselves, if they're contributing a sizable amount of productivity to humanity. A fat slob who sits in his basement all day and plays video games doesn't have the right to do that, because they aren't helping anyone (Well, to a reasonable degree). But if some dude goes to work each day, educates people about an important issue, donates to charity, and contributes to their community, then the guy can go home and dick around on the internet for an hour or two without me thinking he's being selfish.

Women have no respect for themselves these days. They prostitute themselves for money in the music industry. In movies. In TV shows.

And video games. But let's not pretend you give a single fuck about that.

i want nothing--and everyone else should be the same exact way

So society can stagnate? If asceticism had taken hold early in our history, we would have an absolutely awful quality of life. Desire is the psychological driver behind prosperity and the development of human well-being.

Quote from: Verbatim on December 30, 2015, 03:45:35 PM

i want nothing--and everyone else should be the same exact way

So society can stagnate? If asceticism had taken hold early in our history, we would have an absolutely awful quality of life. Desire is the psychological driver behind prosperity and the development of human well-being.

what is this logic

focusing all your efforts on the collective rather than your individual self -> stagnation
being a productive and helpful human being -> societal stagnation

what

put down the carling or whatever the fuck it is

put down the carling or whatever the fuck it is

Whiskey.

I haven't had any in like two hours.

The world is stagnant right now.

This is simply false. A cross-sectional analysis of the world, indeed, leads both of us to conclude that it is dire. And there are, of course, worrying trends across the world which we ought to keep an eye on: cultural dissonance in immigrant populations in Europe, the rise of blood-and-soil nationalist movements, our current economic malaise, the rise of terrorism and institutional degeneration in Western countries.

However, the overall trend over past decades has been one of rather incredible progress. Medical technology is improving and deaths both due to crime and war have declined significantly; genocide on an industrial scale is not a cause for concern; absolute poverty has halved in the past two decades; there is a great re-convergence of wealth between the Westerners and the Resterners; the populations of countries in the Middle East are growing tired of authoritarianism and are demanding political and civic freedoms; countries which were once fundamentalist-ruled hellholes like Afghanistan are doing significantly better et cetera, et cetera.

The trend of the human race in recent history is overwhelmingly positive if you care about the minimisation of suffering. Is it a perfect trend? No. Do we live in an agreeable world? No. The world is horrible, violent, intolerant place full of suffering, misery and death. It's just less horrible than it was in the past. By no reasonable definition can the current human condition be considered "stagnant".

However, the overall trend over past decades has been one of rather incredible progress. Medical technology is improving and deaths both due to crime and war have declined significantly

due to altruistic endeavors

genocide on an industrial scale is not a cause for concern

what

absolute poverty has halved in the past two decades; there is a great re-convergence of wealth between the Westerners and the Resterners; the populations of countries in the Middle East are growing tired of authoritarianism and are demanding political and civic freedoms; countries which were once fundamentalist-ruled hellholes like Afghanistan are doing significantly better et cetera, et cetera.

again, most of these are as a result of some "great cause" that is ultimately beneficial to the whole of society

wouldn't you say

it's not quite enough for me, of course--but i'm the guy with impossible standards for everything