Quote from: PsygnIrish on August 16, 2016, 07:59:30 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 07:47:33 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 07:45:56 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 07:43:48 PMQuote from: PsygnIrish on August 16, 2016, 07:39:31 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PM But those (women) who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.But as shown, none have.Then there's no problem and all of you have nothing to worry about.But when and if one does, she deserves a spot in infantry, same as any man."men and women should be treated and viewed as exact equals even though it's been proven time and time again they aren't and I accept this, but I'm still going to whine"They should be treated as equals under the law, of course.And they have. They didn't qualify.And they shouldn't get in. Only those who pass the qualification requirements should. If that's no current women, then none should be able to enlist. If a woman does eventually qualify, then she should be able to serve on the front lines, same as any man.
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 07:47:33 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 07:45:56 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 07:43:48 PMQuote from: PsygnIrish on August 16, 2016, 07:39:31 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PM But those (women) who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.But as shown, none have.Then there's no problem and all of you have nothing to worry about.But when and if one does, she deserves a spot in infantry, same as any man."men and women should be treated and viewed as exact equals even though it's been proven time and time again they aren't and I accept this, but I'm still going to whine"They should be treated as equals under the law, of course.And they have. They didn't qualify.
Quote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 07:45:56 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 07:43:48 PMQuote from: PsygnIrish on August 16, 2016, 07:39:31 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PM But those (women) who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.But as shown, none have.Then there's no problem and all of you have nothing to worry about.But when and if one does, she deserves a spot in infantry, same as any man."men and women should be treated and viewed as exact equals even though it's been proven time and time again they aren't and I accept this, but I'm still going to whine"They should be treated as equals under the law, of course.
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 07:43:48 PMQuote from: PsygnIrish on August 16, 2016, 07:39:31 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PM But those (women) who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.But as shown, none have.Then there's no problem and all of you have nothing to worry about.But when and if one does, she deserves a spot in infantry, same as any man."men and women should be treated and viewed as exact equals even though it's been proven time and time again they aren't and I accept this, but I'm still going to whine"
Quote from: PsygnIrish on August 16, 2016, 07:39:31 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PM But those (women) who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.But as shown, none have.Then there's no problem and all of you have nothing to worry about.But when and if one does, she deserves a spot in infantry, same as any man.
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PM But those (women) who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.But as shown, none have.
But those (women) who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.
I don't see why you keep repeating this, I haven't stated anything but the facts.None have qualified regardless of my or your opinion on the matter, so it's business of usual.
Quote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:55:12 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:54:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:53:37 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:52:33 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:51:55 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:53 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:50:34 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:15 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:49:32 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:52:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 02:49:54 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMThis is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.NopeYepNopeYepNopeYepNopeYepNopeYepNopeYep
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:54:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:53:37 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:52:33 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:51:55 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:53 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:50:34 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:15 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:49:32 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:52:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 02:49:54 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMThis is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.NopeYepNopeYepNopeYepNopeYepNopeYepNope
Quote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:53:37 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:52:33 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:51:55 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:53 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:50:34 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:15 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:49:32 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:52:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 02:49:54 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMThis is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.NopeYepNopeYepNopeYepNopeYepNopeYep
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:52:33 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:51:55 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:53 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:50:34 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:15 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:49:32 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:52:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 02:49:54 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMThis is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.NopeYepNopeYepNopeYepNopeYepNope
Quote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:51:55 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:53 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:50:34 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:15 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:49:32 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:52:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 02:49:54 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMThis is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.NopeYepNopeYepNopeYepNopeYep
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:53 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:50:34 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:15 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:49:32 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:52:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 02:49:54 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMThis is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.NopeYepNopeYepNopeYepNope
Quote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:50:34 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:15 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:49:32 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:52:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 02:49:54 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMThis is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.NopeYepNopeYepNopeYep
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 03:50:15 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:49:32 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:52:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 02:49:54 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMThis is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.NopeYepNopeYepNope
Quote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 03:49:32 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:52:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 02:49:54 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMThis is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.NopeYepNopeYep
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:52:04 PMQuote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 02:49:54 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMThis is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.NopeYepNope
Quote from: challengerX on August 16, 2016, 02:49:54 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMThis is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.NopeYep
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMThis is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.Nope
This is why all of your fears of a doomsday situation if women are allowed to serve in combat roles is ridiculous. A very small fraction of women would even pass the requirements to join.But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 16, 2016, 02:33:24 PMBut those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.Given that your entire moral philosophy is basically based on consent and the NAP, why are you so eager to expand the amount of people who could potentially go to war?
But those who do pass have every right to fight on the battlefield.
If another Hitler arises and starts taking over countries in Europe, we would have a moral responsibility to get involved.
If a man is legally allowed to do something under the law, and then a woman is prohibited from doing that very same thing because of her sex.
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 17, 2016, 01:28:12 PMIf a man is legally allowed to do something under the law, and then a woman is prohibited from doing that very same thing because of her sex.i don't think people want woman barred from infantry simply because they're women, but because men act differently around women.
Quote from: Eli on August 17, 2016, 03:08:23 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 17, 2016, 01:28:12 PMIf a man is legally allowed to do something under the law, and then a woman is prohibited from doing that very same thing because of her sex.i don't think people want woman barred from infantry simply because they're women, but because men act differently around women.And they shouldn't in a combat situation. Like I said in that other (exhausting) thread, if a soldier is going to put the mission at stake because of a single life, just because that life is a woman's, they're a bad soldier.
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 17, 2016, 03:10:29 PMQuote from: Eli on August 17, 2016, 03:08:23 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 17, 2016, 01:28:12 PMIf a man is legally allowed to do something under the law, and then a woman is prohibited from doing that very same thing because of her sex.i don't think people want woman barred from infantry simply because they're women, but because men act differently around women.And they shouldn't in a combat situation. Like I said in that other (exhausting) thread, if a soldier is going to put the mission at stake because of a single life, just because that life is a woman's, they're a bad soldier.i meanwe can argue the shoulds and shouldn't of the universe til we're blue in the facebut it still doesn't change the reality of the situation that men and women act differently around each other, consciously and unconsciously.
So your logic is that because men and women are unconsciously prejudiced against each other, we should use that as the basis for discrimination?
only in cases where the benefits of the discrimination (significantly) outweigh the drawbacks
Quote from: PsygnIrish on August 17, 2016, 11:54:30 AMI don't see why you keep repeating this, I haven't stated anything but the facts.None have qualified regardless of my or your opinion on the matter, so it's business of usual.chill out man. what "facts" are you referring to? that no woman has qualified? he acknowledges that.
Quote from: MyNameIsChris on August 17, 2016, 02:23:44 PMQuote from: Joyce Byers on August 17, 2016, 01:28:12 PMIf another Hitler arises and starts taking over countries in Europe, we would have a moral responsibility to get involved. haha no we wouldntWe have a moral responsibility to come to the aid of another Hitler.
Quote from: Joyce Byers on August 17, 2016, 01:28:12 PMIf another Hitler arises and starts taking over countries in Europe, we would have a moral responsibility to get involved. haha no we wouldnt