So, wouldn't you concede that circumcision should only be done in cases where it is medically necessary such as phimosis instead? We don't remove the appendix except in cases of appendicitis, so why should this be different?
Quote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2016, 01:30:16 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:28:13 PMYou're blindly acceptingNo, I'm not. I wouldn't have been able to defend the practice at all if that were the case.http://www.cirp.org/library/death/Nice little list of a few of the reported cases of children bleeding out.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_ReimerPerson who ended up losing their dick as a child due to circumcision and suffered GID due to being raised as a female. http://www.learning-theories.com/eriksons-stages-of-development.htmlQuote1. Infancy: Birth-18 Months OldBasic Trust vs. Mistrust – HopeDuring the first or second year of life, the major emphasis is on the mother and father’s nurturing ability and care for a child, especially in terms of visual contact and touch. The child will develop optimism, trust, confidence, and security if properly cared for and handled. If a child does not experience trust, he or she may develop insecurity, worthlessness, and general mistrust to the world.Just to point out how important attachment is at a early age and how if that isn't met, the child can be fucked up after.
Quote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:28:13 PMYou're blindly acceptingNo, I'm not. I wouldn't have been able to defend the practice at all if that were the case.
You're blindly accepting
1. Infancy: Birth-18 Months OldBasic Trust vs. Mistrust – HopeDuring the first or second year of life, the major emphasis is on the mother and father’s nurturing ability and care for a child, especially in terms of visual contact and touch. The child will develop optimism, trust, confidence, and security if properly cared for and handled. If a child does not experience trust, he or she may develop insecurity, worthlessness, and general mistrust to the world.
Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on April 23, 2016, 02:59:41 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:41:30 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2016, 01:30:16 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:28:13 PMYou're blindly acceptingNo, I'm not. I wouldn't have been able to defend the practice at all if that were the case.http://www.cirp.org/library/death/Nice little list of a few of the reported cases of children bleeding out.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_ReimerPerson who ended up losing their dick as a child due to circumcision and suffered GID due to being raised as a female. http://www.learning-theories.com/eriksons-stages-of-development.htmlQuote1. Infancy: Birth-18 Months OldBasic Trust vs. Mistrust – HopeDuring the first or second year of life, the major emphasis is on the mother and father’s nurturing ability and care for a child, especially in terms of visual contact and touch. The child will develop optimism, trust, confidence, and security if properly cared for and handled. If a child does not experience trust, he or she may develop insecurity, worthlessness, and general mistrust to the world.Just to point out how important attachment is at a early age and how if that isn't met, the child can be fucked up after.ayy it's nice to see Eriksons work again, I never really thought to apply it to something like this either so kudos for that.Yeah, though I prefer Harlow's attachment work due to the colorful language and depravity of his work, Erikson brings up a good point of how children won't enter into further psychosocial stages when their most basic needs aren't met. As Flee said about how circumcision can inhibit the bonding between a baby and mother, it seems to me that the logical jump there would be noting how this may cause the first psychosocial stage to not develop properly.
Quote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:41:30 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2016, 01:30:16 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:28:13 PMYou're blindly acceptingNo, I'm not. I wouldn't have been able to defend the practice at all if that were the case.http://www.cirp.org/library/death/Nice little list of a few of the reported cases of children bleeding out.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_ReimerPerson who ended up losing their dick as a child due to circumcision and suffered GID due to being raised as a female. http://www.learning-theories.com/eriksons-stages-of-development.htmlQuote1. Infancy: Birth-18 Months OldBasic Trust vs. Mistrust – HopeDuring the first or second year of life, the major emphasis is on the mother and father’s nurturing ability and care for a child, especially in terms of visual contact and touch. The child will develop optimism, trust, confidence, and security if properly cared for and handled. If a child does not experience trust, he or she may develop insecurity, worthlessness, and general mistrust to the world.Just to point out how important attachment is at a early age and how if that isn't met, the child can be fucked up after.ayy it's nice to see Eriksons work again, I never really thought to apply it to something like this either so kudos for that.
Quote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 03:49:02 PMQuote from: Flee on April 23, 2016, 03:40:19 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on April 23, 2016, 03:29:15 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 03:18:43 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on April 23, 2016, 02:59:41 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:41:30 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2016, 01:30:16 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:28:13 PMYou're blindly acceptingNo, I'm not. I wouldn't have been able to defend the practice at all if that were the case.http://www.cirp.org/library/death/Nice little list of a few of the reported cases of children bleeding out.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_ReimerPerson who ended up losing their dick as a child due to circumcision and suffered GID due to being raised as a female. http://www.learning-theories.com/eriksons-stages-of-development.htmlQuote1. Infancy: Birth-18 Months OldBasic Trust vs. Mistrust – HopeDuring the first or second year of life, the major emphasis is on the mother and father’s nurturing ability and care for a child, especially in terms of visual contact and touch. The child will develop optimism, trust, confidence, and security if properly cared for and handled. If a child does not experience trust, he or she may develop insecurity, worthlessness, and general mistrust to the world.Just to point out how important attachment is at a early age and how if that isn't met, the child can be fucked up after.ayy it's nice to see Eriksons work again, I never really thought to apply it to something like this either so kudos for that.Yeah, though I prefer Harlow's attachment work due to the colorful language and depravity of his work, Erikson brings up a good point of how children won't enter into further psychosocial stages when their most basic needs aren't met. As Flee said about how circumcision can inhibit the bonding between a baby and mother, it seems to me that the logical jump there would be noting how this may cause the first psychosocial stage to not develop properly.I really hate Harlow. Sadistic bastard.But eh, we learned from Unit 731, we learned from Mengele. So we might as well make use of what he foundBut yes, maternal bonding already has enough obstacles without traumatising an infant like that.Speculative wondering that maybe flee knows of a study, the wall of blue on the other page is a bit heavy tbh but has there been any study looking into links between PPD and circumcision of infants? I doubt it's a causal factor but I wonder if it elevates the risk factor of it developing.PPD? Postpartum depression.I'm not aware of any studies there, but is sounds reasonable. One of the main causes of such a depression is usually child behavior, right? So it wouldn't come as a surprise to me if it's worsened or more likely in case of circumcision, as numerous studies have found that the procedure and trauma like it can impair baby-mother bonding and cause behavioral issues. Anyway, I'm gonna do one big post with sources and citations in it to wrap up my thoughts on this. Gonna keep it as factual and neutral as possible and incorporate both sides here to explain my reasoning. If you're still looking to respond Verb, you might just want to wait for that one.
Quote from: Flee on April 23, 2016, 03:40:19 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on April 23, 2016, 03:29:15 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 03:18:43 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on April 23, 2016, 02:59:41 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:41:30 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2016, 01:30:16 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:28:13 PMYou're blindly acceptingNo, I'm not. I wouldn't have been able to defend the practice at all if that were the case.http://www.cirp.org/library/death/Nice little list of a few of the reported cases of children bleeding out.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_ReimerPerson who ended up losing their dick as a child due to circumcision and suffered GID due to being raised as a female. http://www.learning-theories.com/eriksons-stages-of-development.htmlQuote1. Infancy: Birth-18 Months OldBasic Trust vs. Mistrust – HopeDuring the first or second year of life, the major emphasis is on the mother and father’s nurturing ability and care for a child, especially in terms of visual contact and touch. The child will develop optimism, trust, confidence, and security if properly cared for and handled. If a child does not experience trust, he or she may develop insecurity, worthlessness, and general mistrust to the world.Just to point out how important attachment is at a early age and how if that isn't met, the child can be fucked up after.ayy it's nice to see Eriksons work again, I never really thought to apply it to something like this either so kudos for that.Yeah, though I prefer Harlow's attachment work due to the colorful language and depravity of his work, Erikson brings up a good point of how children won't enter into further psychosocial stages when their most basic needs aren't met. As Flee said about how circumcision can inhibit the bonding between a baby and mother, it seems to me that the logical jump there would be noting how this may cause the first psychosocial stage to not develop properly.I really hate Harlow. Sadistic bastard.But eh, we learned from Unit 731, we learned from Mengele. So we might as well make use of what he foundBut yes, maternal bonding already has enough obstacles without traumatising an infant like that.Speculative wondering that maybe flee knows of a study, the wall of blue on the other page is a bit heavy tbh but has there been any study looking into links between PPD and circumcision of infants? I doubt it's a causal factor but I wonder if it elevates the risk factor of it developing.PPD? Postpartum depression.
Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on April 23, 2016, 03:29:15 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 03:18:43 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on April 23, 2016, 02:59:41 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:41:30 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2016, 01:30:16 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:28:13 PMYou're blindly acceptingNo, I'm not. I wouldn't have been able to defend the practice at all if that were the case.http://www.cirp.org/library/death/Nice little list of a few of the reported cases of children bleeding out.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_ReimerPerson who ended up losing their dick as a child due to circumcision and suffered GID due to being raised as a female. http://www.learning-theories.com/eriksons-stages-of-development.htmlQuote1. Infancy: Birth-18 Months OldBasic Trust vs. Mistrust – HopeDuring the first or second year of life, the major emphasis is on the mother and father’s nurturing ability and care for a child, especially in terms of visual contact and touch. The child will develop optimism, trust, confidence, and security if properly cared for and handled. If a child does not experience trust, he or she may develop insecurity, worthlessness, and general mistrust to the world.Just to point out how important attachment is at a early age and how if that isn't met, the child can be fucked up after.ayy it's nice to see Eriksons work again, I never really thought to apply it to something like this either so kudos for that.Yeah, though I prefer Harlow's attachment work due to the colorful language and depravity of his work, Erikson brings up a good point of how children won't enter into further psychosocial stages when their most basic needs aren't met. As Flee said about how circumcision can inhibit the bonding between a baby and mother, it seems to me that the logical jump there would be noting how this may cause the first psychosocial stage to not develop properly.I really hate Harlow. Sadistic bastard.But eh, we learned from Unit 731, we learned from Mengele. So we might as well make use of what he foundBut yes, maternal bonding already has enough obstacles without traumatising an infant like that.Speculative wondering that maybe flee knows of a study, the wall of blue on the other page is a bit heavy tbh but has there been any study looking into links between PPD and circumcision of infants? I doubt it's a causal factor but I wonder if it elevates the risk factor of it developing.PPD?
Quote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 03:18:43 PMQuote from: Mr. Psychologist on April 23, 2016, 02:59:41 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:41:30 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2016, 01:30:16 PMQuote from: Zen on April 23, 2016, 01:28:13 PMYou're blindly acceptingNo, I'm not. I wouldn't have been able to defend the practice at all if that were the case.http://www.cirp.org/library/death/Nice little list of a few of the reported cases of children bleeding out.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_ReimerPerson who ended up losing their dick as a child due to circumcision and suffered GID due to being raised as a female. http://www.learning-theories.com/eriksons-stages-of-development.htmlQuote1. Infancy: Birth-18 Months OldBasic Trust vs. Mistrust – HopeDuring the first or second year of life, the major emphasis is on the mother and father’s nurturing ability and care for a child, especially in terms of visual contact and touch. The child will develop optimism, trust, confidence, and security if properly cared for and handled. If a child does not experience trust, he or she may develop insecurity, worthlessness, and general mistrust to the world.Just to point out how important attachment is at a early age and how if that isn't met, the child can be fucked up after.ayy it's nice to see Eriksons work again, I never really thought to apply it to something like this either so kudos for that.Yeah, though I prefer Harlow's attachment work due to the colorful language and depravity of his work, Erikson brings up a good point of how children won't enter into further psychosocial stages when their most basic needs aren't met. As Flee said about how circumcision can inhibit the bonding between a baby and mother, it seems to me that the logical jump there would be noting how this may cause the first psychosocial stage to not develop properly.I really hate Harlow. Sadistic bastard.But eh, we learned from Unit 731, we learned from Mengele. So we might as well make use of what he foundBut yes, maternal bonding already has enough obstacles without traumatising an infant like that.Speculative wondering that maybe flee knows of a study, the wall of blue on the other page is a bit heavy tbh but has there been any study looking into links between PPD and circumcision of infants? I doubt it's a causal factor but I wonder if it elevates the risk factor of it developing.
"I'll shred everything apart later" lmayo
Quote from: Mordo on April 23, 2016, 09:39:50 PM"I'll shred everything apart later" lmayoAnd then I did.
Quote from: TheOneTrueDesticle on April 21, 2016, 11:49:14 PMHe's not coming back. He has nothing to say. Flee picked him apart and he knows it.You were saying?
He's not coming back. He has nothing to say. Flee picked him apart and he knows it.
Praise Britannica - circumcision ruling
