Quote from: ALIE on April 22, 2016, 05:04:19 AMyet there's people serving decades in prison for willingly putting chemicals into their own bodies.You're good at bringing up totally irrelevant things. Being anti-circumcision doesn't make you pro-war on drugs. Nor does being anti-circumcision mean you are diverting your resources away from bigger problems that need your attention; although, funnily enough, given that you've made your own priorities clear here, I have to ask why you are focusing on telling anti-circumcision people they are wrong when you could be focusing on something that is--by your own admission--much more important. Or are you immune from your own criticism?
yet there's people serving decades in prison for willingly putting chemicals into their own bodies.
Quote from: ALIE on April 22, 2016, 06:29:26 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on April 22, 2016, 06:12:55 AMQuote from: ALIE on April 22, 2016, 05:04:19 AMyet there's people serving decades in prison for willingly putting chemicals into their own bodies.You're good at bringing up totally irrelevant things. Being anti-circumcision doesn't make you pro-war on drugs. Nor does being anti-circumcision mean you are diverting your resources away from bigger problems that need your attention; although, funnily enough, given that you've made your own priorities clear here, I have to ask why you are focusing on telling anti-circumcision people they are wrong when you could be focusing on something that is--by your own admission--much more important. Or are you immune from your own criticism?It's not irrelevant. Being anti circumcision on the basis of consent means that you give inherent value to consent. That's not compatible with being pro war on drugs or pro needless vaccinations for infants.No, you fucking junky, we're not obsessed with consent like you are. The point is to not put INFANTS through torture for NO REASON.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on April 22, 2016, 06:12:55 AMQuote from: ALIE on April 22, 2016, 05:04:19 AMyet there's people serving decades in prison for willingly putting chemicals into their own bodies.You're good at bringing up totally irrelevant things. Being anti-circumcision doesn't make you pro-war on drugs. Nor does being anti-circumcision mean you are diverting your resources away from bigger problems that need your attention; although, funnily enough, given that you've made your own priorities clear here, I have to ask why you are focusing on telling anti-circumcision people they are wrong when you could be focusing on something that is--by your own admission--much more important. Or are you immune from your own criticism?It's not irrelevant. Being anti circumcision on the basis of consent means that you give inherent value to consent. That's not compatible with being pro war on drugs or pro needless vaccinations for infants.
Quote from: ALIE on April 22, 2016, 06:34:25 AMQuote from: challengerX on April 22, 2016, 06:31:22 AMQuote from: ALIE on April 22, 2016, 06:29:26 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on April 22, 2016, 06:12:55 AMQuote from: ALIE on April 22, 2016, 05:04:19 AMyet there's people serving decades in prison for willingly putting chemicals into their own bodies.You're good at bringing up totally irrelevant things. Being anti-circumcision doesn't make you pro-war on drugs. Nor does being anti-circumcision mean you are diverting your resources away from bigger problems that need your attention; although, funnily enough, given that you've made your own priorities clear here, I have to ask why you are focusing on telling anti-circumcision people they are wrong when you could be focusing on something that is--by your own admission--much more important. Or are you immune from your own criticism?It's not irrelevant. Being anti circumcision on the basis of consent means that you give inherent value to consent. That's not compatible with being pro war on drugs or pro needless vaccinations for infants.No, you fucking junky, we're not obsessed with consent like you are. The point is to not put INFANTS through torture for NO REASON.Giving your child the modern flu vaccine is worse than giving your child a circumcision. One has long lasting negative health effects, one doesn't.If you're so against circumcision because of this "think of the children" mentality, why is that the only infant consent issue you care about? Worse things happen to infants in hospitals than circumcision.Where are you getting the idea it's the only issue I care about? And it has nothing to do with consent. It's about what's best for the baby. Infants can't give consent in the first place. I'm not sure if you know that or not, because holy fucking shit. Your attempts at sidetracking the discussion are pitiful and your tactic of "heh you only care about this one issue, I'm morally superior to you" after you got anally raped into submission and admitted circumcision is bad is by far the most pathetic thing I have ever seen on this forum.
Quote from: challengerX on April 22, 2016, 06:31:22 AMQuote from: ALIE on April 22, 2016, 06:29:26 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on April 22, 2016, 06:12:55 AMQuote from: ALIE on April 22, 2016, 05:04:19 AMyet there's people serving decades in prison for willingly putting chemicals into their own bodies.You're good at bringing up totally irrelevant things. Being anti-circumcision doesn't make you pro-war on drugs. Nor does being anti-circumcision mean you are diverting your resources away from bigger problems that need your attention; although, funnily enough, given that you've made your own priorities clear here, I have to ask why you are focusing on telling anti-circumcision people they are wrong when you could be focusing on something that is--by your own admission--much more important. Or are you immune from your own criticism?It's not irrelevant. Being anti circumcision on the basis of consent means that you give inherent value to consent. That's not compatible with being pro war on drugs or pro needless vaccinations for infants.No, you fucking junky, we're not obsessed with consent like you are. The point is to not put INFANTS through torture for NO REASON.Giving your child the modern flu vaccine is worse than giving your child a circumcision. One has long lasting negative health effects, one doesn't.If you're so against circumcision because of this "think of the children" mentality, why is that the only infant consent issue you care about? Worse things happen to infants in hospitals than circumcision.
The flu vaccine doesn't save lives
Quote from: ALIE on April 22, 2016, 06:49:36 AMThe flu vaccine doesn't save liveshttp://www.cdc.gov/flu/news/flu-vaccine-saved-lives.htm
Quote from: Mordo on April 22, 2016, 06:51:15 AMQuote from: ALIE on April 22, 2016, 06:49:36 AMThe flu vaccine doesn't save liveshttp://www.cdc.gov/flu/news/flu-vaccine-saved-lives.htm>cdc.govHey guys I hear the Big Mac is good for heart health check out this totally unbiased source!
Quote from: ALIE on April 22, 2016, 06:49:36 AMI've been thinking I'm better than people in this thread? Newsflash, asshole: I don't think I'm better than anyone, and every single time you criticize me, you throw that accusation in there.Because you do. QuoteThe flu vaccine doesn't save lives, I don't know why you're so insistient that it has any utility as a routine injection. It's far worse to give your child annual flu shots than a circumcision, but yeah, neither should be routine. It's a breach of consent either way, and not a neccesary one like the measles or polio vaccine.I'm "insistient" because it does save lives. Babies can't give consent, so we do what is best for them while minimizing pain. You're hilarious, dude. I'm actually laughing out loud at these replies.
I've been thinking I'm better than people in this thread? Newsflash, asshole: I don't think I'm better than anyone, and every single time you criticize me, you throw that accusation in there.
The flu vaccine doesn't save lives, I don't know why you're so insistient that it has any utility as a routine injection. It's far worse to give your child annual flu shots than a circumcision, but yeah, neither should be routine. It's a breach of consent either way, and not a neccesary one like the measles or polio vaccine.
lmao Kid you can say whatever you like, your holier than thou posts do all the explaining for you.
I'll shred everything apart later.
Quote from: Verbatim on April 21, 2016, 07:30:56 PMI'll shred everything apart later.
Quote from: The Lord Ruler on April 22, 2016, 07:43:42 AM>worm dicksHow does it feel knowing my pee pee is prettier than yours?It's amazing how quickly people get salty and butthurt over this topic, especially when no one is calling them out.
>worm dicksHow does it feel knowing my pee pee is prettier than yours?
Quote from: Flee on April 22, 2016, 09:10:28 AMQuote from: The Lord Ruler on April 22, 2016, 07:43:42 AM>worm dicksHow does it feel knowing my pee pee is prettier than yours?It's amazing how quickly people get salty and butthurt over this topic, especially when no one is calling them out.but worm dicks are the only ones that ever bring up this topic
Uncircumsized penises are far easier to get dirty and infected
Quote from: The Lord Ruler on April 22, 2016, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: Flee on April 22, 2016, 09:10:28 AMQuote from: The Lord Ruler on April 22, 2016, 07:43:42 AM>worm dicksHow does it feel knowing my pee pee is prettier than yours?It's amazing how quickly people get salty and butthurt over this topic, especially when no one is calling them out.but worm dicks are the only ones that ever bring up this topicEh, not really. They typically have no reason to complain. Perfectly healthy and got themselves a bunch of extra nerve endings, functionality and erogenous tissue to enjoy. I personally just take interest in the legal status of the procedure after researching it for a class on health law. From my experience, the people who are most likely to bring it up are either those who actually care about the morality and ethics of medicine along with human rights in general, or those who have had it done to them (or did it to their child) and feel it was a mistake. Most of the outspoken anti-circumcision movements in the US seem to be primarily fueled by circumcised men unhappy with what was done to them.Besides, it's not that important who brings it up. It's the attitude towards the issue. And "haha le wormdicks so mad cuz ugly peen" is the kind of reaction that just screams salt and butthurt. Regardless of where you stand, actually and properly debating or just discussing this is the intelligent and rational way of forward. But dismissing and avoiding perfectly valid opinions and concerns by trying to get others to feel bad? "You condemn painful and medically unnecessary genital mutilation so you must be mad wormdick lol". Just like many other hot political topics, it's such a shame people always have to turn it into us vs them. Forget science, forget facts, forget logic and reason. They're saying something different from what I've been grown up to believe, so they must be wrong / mad / stupid / jealous. Fuck the other side and fuck the truth when it could be different from my opinion! How nice things could be otherwise.
I thought you were inexorably concerned about the idea of something suffering. Is ability to remember it necessary? If pain is inherently bad why is memory necessary? Does this now exclude simple animals that don't have the ability to reflect on pain cognizantly? If hypothetically I were to harm someone but be able to erase their memory of it without issue is that now not a big deal?
Praise Britannica - circumcision ruling
