Political Correctness, Brogressivism, South Park, and Caitlyn Jenner

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Quite a mouthful, innit?

But yes, welcome to my thread where I will attempt to stir some shit by listing controversial opinions and saying that everyone who disagrees with me is an abject moron. Well, maybe not quite in those terms.

Anyways, today's issue focuses around internet culture of progressivism and political correctness, and only naturally will touch on "muh spooky SJWs" for a bit, as well.

So what exactly is that strange phrase up in the title? More likely than not the other three look pretty damn familiar, but what the fuck's a "brogressivism"? Well, recently on the internet as a whole, there seems to be a startling trend of immense acceptance in some areas with almost archaic viewpoints in some others. With a resounding support for three out of four letters of LGBT, voicing that you faced discrimination due to being homosexual, or a woman, or unwealthy? Why, you could get entire websites to rally behind you in the face of these blatant and horrible problems you've faced! Those same websites, however, would claim that a black man was simply "pulling the race card" for his own failures if he said he faced racism at the hands of the police, and a trans woman must just be using slurs and speaking with hatred if she says that she feels oppressed by cis individuals, right?

So, why all of the disparity? Well, that's where the term "brogressive" comes into effect. Basically, the term states that many people on the main areas of widely-used sites such as 4chan, Reddit, and so on will be straight, white, cis males from the ages of about 16 to 25, and these people tend to side with whoever they can identify with most in a given instance. A gay kid being bullied at school? Well, sure, they might not be gay, but plenty of them also faced bullying at school, so let's rally behind the gay kid! A trans woman was beat by coworkers or harassed to suicide? Well, none of them ever experienced dysphoria, so she must have been the one in the wrong!

Of course, trans issues lead us to the other three points on that list - political correctness, South Park, and Cairlyn Jenner - naturally "muh SJW" as well.

There seems to have been a large sentiment on the internet that the culture of the world is getting "too soft," as if respecting other people and their boundaries and generally not being a total cunt to everyone you meet just because you can is some sort of new revolution that them gol-dern lefties have brought upon the world to wreak havoc. I'm not really gonna touch on that too much because the stupidity in that sentence should be pretty damn obvious (hint hint: it's always been a thing to generally not be a cunt and the fact that we've started extending that thing to more and more people by making words like "nigger", "faggot", "trannie", and so on unacceptable only shows a wider range of acceptance, not fucking censorship and the elimination of free speech), but instead will be moving onto specifics. What do I mean by specifics? Well, trans people.

Trans people are in a rather odd place on the internet, since people are stepping forwards to throw praise at the feet of homosexuals but shrink away from trans communities by saying that they're mentally disabled freaks. Brogressivism tends to play a part here, as well, since a resounding part of the transphobic speech tossed around day-to-day seems to be "how dare they try to trick me to make me feel gay!" as if a transgirl's goal is to somehow 'trick' or 'seduce' some poor, innocent cis guy. Oh, the woes of being a middle-class white dude in America.

But the strangest part seems to come about in the whole "anti-PC" culture and the way they go about insulting trans people. Usually the argument is that a trans person's gender identity doesn't exclude them from criticism in other areas. While this sentiment is completely true, it's often only used by people that were going to purposefully misgender them and call them slurs regardless.

South Park is probably the most recent example of this. For those who don't know, a recent episode featured Kyle (who was shown, in an earlier episode [The Cissy] to have dysphoric feelings of his own unless I'm remembering incorrectly and it was Stan - but I digress) stating that, while he respected Caitlyn Jenner's choices on her gender, he did not think of her as any sort of 'hero' - a sentiment shared by many in the trans community because Jenner's sort of a cunt. Cartman stood in for the usual brogressive types trying to be edgy and fighting some over-inflated perceived threat in the name of 'free speech', and a college fraternity (PC Bros) parodied the overly-sensitive types who were quick to jump to the defense of any disparaged community regardless of the topic at hand. Since that episode aired, posters all over reddit often quote "You PC, Bro?" or "WEE-OO WEE-OO" whenever someone states that maybe transgender people should be respected and not looked at as mentally unstable freaks who should be locked up for "destroying their bodies". It's funny, really, because it proves that the point of the episode went sailing way over their heads and into the gotdam stratosphere.

So, uh...I guess that about wraps it up. Not so much a question as much as an opinion/standpoint/discussion topic, but feel free to go haywire n' shit.

Oh, yeah, this would probably also be a good place to mention that thing that I told Bungle a long while ago but haven't mentioned here, yet. I'm not naturally a girl, I'm an MtF transgirl who's been using the whole 'Cindy' persona as a way to curb dysphoria throughout the years. I know, I know, bit of a shocker, but it's kind of become a run-of-the-mill thing for me at this point so you'll excuse me if I didn't type up a ten paragraph rant thing on the subject like I did on bungle. Try not to make this part the focal point of the thread, tho.


 
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I agree with everything you've said.

Take that as you will.


 
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You're awfully rambly, though. You probably could've made your points in one or two paragraphs. Jus' sayin.


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I don't think trans are mentally unstable freaks.

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You're awfully rambly, though. You probably could've made your points in one or two paragraphs. Jus' sayin.
But I like rambling


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Just a reminder, don't derail the thread with spammy off topic stuff peeps.


 
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In particular, I like how you delineate the fine line between "censorship" and "just not being a cunt". That's your most salient point, I think, and it's something that people on both sides don't really consider that often (especially the right).
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In particular, I like how you delineate the fine line between "censorship" and "just not being a cunt". That's your most salient point, I think, and it's something that people on both sides don't really consider (especially the right).
I mean, it's a pretty big point that people seem to miss. To paraphrase XKCD, if the only thing supporting your argument is that it's not illegal to say it, it's probably not a very good argument.

Like, yes, the right to free speech means that you will never get federally persecuted for calling a black man "nigger" or calling a transgirl a "trannie". Doesn't mean other people can't call you out on it, tho, or that it's generally socially unacceptable to say such things, and you will be reminded as such.


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In particular, I like how you delineate the fine line between "censorship" and "just not being a cunt". That's your most salient point, I think, and it's something that people on both sides don't really consider (especially the right).
I mean, it's a pretty big point that people seem to miss. To paraphrase XKCD, if the only thing supporting your argument is that it's not illegal to say it, it's probably not a very good argument.

Like, yes, the right to free speech means that you will never get federally persecuted for calling a black man "nigger" or calling a transgirl a "trannie". Doesn't mean other people can't call you out on it, tho, or that it's generally socially unacceptable to say such things, and you will be reminded as such.
As you know, though, when it comes to words like "nigger", I would extend it even further than that. I know you like to use the word to refer to your friends, as a lot of white people in the south do. I'm against this for a lot of reasons--mostly because it's cringeworthy as all hell, and also because I just find it juvenile and disrespectful. It doesn't matter to me if you're using it in a positive context--the word is rooted in evil, and it therefore doesn't really make sense to use it to refer to significant others. The word belongs in the trash, if you ask me.

Unless you're one of those silly snowflakes who thinks there's an honest difference between "nigger" and "nigga", in which case, I'll be glad to carefully explain precisely why you are wrong.


 
 
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You're awfully rambly, though. You probably could've made your points in one or two paragraphs. Jus' sayin.
There is nothing wrong with saying something that should take one sentence in the form of several extended run on sentences that don't appear to have any actual point other than just typing and typing because this is how I would ordinarily talk in the real world.

Especially when asked about something in particular to ramble about and I assure you that this post has nothing at all to do with a tongue in cheek drag-it-out post just to prove a point.


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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

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My main concern is the censorship ma-bobby.

In your example it's perfectly reasonable to not be a cunt because someone's this or that, whether or not you have the freedom of speech to say it.

The problem lies when people try to give valid criticism, and when they can't (or simply won't) answer to it, they can claim it's insensitive or offensive and block off reasonable discourse about the topic simply because it entails some controversial topic.

E.g. I used to know nothing regarding trans people, how or why they felt that way, methods of going about changing, etc, etc until around last year (mostly because of this place). But I can't just ask a question about in case I offend someone because it might have something behind it that may offend someone.

I'd like to understand at the cost of a few slip-ups and offending some people so I can get a good view on the topic and discuss it like most want to and maybe even accept it, rather than remaining in the dark, not discussing it and blindly accepting by faith just to keep people happy. If someone wants honest discussion, you don't go into it with no facts whatsoever and blurt out whatever some biased party (on either side) has said.
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as if respecting other people and their boundaries and generally not being a total cunt to everyone you meet just because you can is some sort of new revolution that them gol-dern lefties have brought upon the world to wreak havoc. I'm not really gonna touch on that too much because the stupidity in that sentence should be pretty damn obvious (hint hint: it's always been a thing to generally not be a cunt and the fact that we've started extending that thing to more and more people by making words like "nigger", "faggot", "trannie", and so on unacceptable only shows a wider range of acceptance, not fucking censorship and the elimination of free speech),
You know the entire tone of your post makes it seem like you're quite fine with being a total cunt to people you disagree with, what with the constant insults and holier than thou attitude you've got going on; so already I don't see much point in having a serious discussion.

But I will say this; I can tolerate a very specific kind of censorship, consider a classroom that teaches say, mathematics; of all the possible things that could be discussed, everything but maths is censored, and then of every possible math topic that could be discussed, everything but the specific skills being taught is censored, and even then the wider implications of those ideas are censored to focus on simply learning what's in the curriculum. THAT is the only acceptable form of censorship because that is the only kind that has clear and tangible benefits to everyone involved, and I would argue that it is impossible to teach someone something without censoring information to some degree. If you want to get technical then this really is just creating context, but I digress.

Now without even discussing how censoring words only gives them more power and draws people to them, I want to make it very clear that you fundamentally misunderstand the concept of free speech. It is entirely about being able to say things that are offensive, things that some people would rather be hidden away and never mentioned, about being able to say something that everyone around you, maybe even the entire world, disagrees with. It is almost heartbreakingly said that you think free speech means "you are allowed to say the words that we have approved of and nothing else".
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You're awfully rambly, though. You probably could've made your points in one or two paragraphs. Jus' sayin.
There is nothing wrong with saying something that should take one sentence in the form of several extended run on sentences that don't appear to have any actual point other than just typing and typing because this is how I would ordinarily talk in the real world.

Especially when asked about something in particular to ramble about and I assure you that this post has nothing at all to do with a tongue in cheek drag-it-out post just to prove a point.

Seriously, if you ever talk to Psy he had a tendency to ramble and go off topic with little details. Especially if you get him going on something like 40k.


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Had no idea trannie was now offensive, thought it was just a shortening of transgender.


 
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The angel agreed to trade a set of white wings for the head of another demon. Overjoyed, the demon killed one of his own and plucked the head right off its still-warm body.

The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
All this shit about trans people and LGBT stuff in general is so silly to me.

Like why is it such a big fucking deal? People are people regardless of what terms they use of themselves.


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It kinda feels like you're trying to trick me into being gay.


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All this shit about trans people and LGBT stuff in general is so silly to me.

Like why is it such a big fucking deal? People are people regardless of what terms they use of themselves.
I'm fully in support of essentially everything that the LGBT community stands for, but I think the specifications with labels can get a bit ridiculous sometimes. There's a difference between fitting into a category, and making ones up just so you can fit into your own for the sake of feeling special.

Worst offender - "Sapiosexuals"

That shit is stupid.


 
 
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You're awfully rambly, though. You probably could've made your points in one or two paragraphs. Jus' sayin.
There is nothing wrong with saying something that should take one sentence in the form of several extended run on sentences that don't appear to have any actual point other than just typing and typing because this is how I would ordinarily talk in the real world.

Especially when asked about something in particular to ramble about and I assure you that this post has nothing at all to do with a tongue in cheek drag-it-out post just to prove a point.

Seriously, if you ever talk to Psy he had a tendency to ramble and go off topic with little details. Especially if you get him going on something like 40k.
tendency implies it doesn't happen every time without fail

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Had no idea trannie was now offensive, thought it was just a shortening of transgender.
To some it'd be like saying "blacky". Just context IMO. I say it.