]Yeah... my point is just because western society isn't perfect doesn't mean we have to accept bullshit Islamic practices.

And Russia is far from Western.

We don't have to accept all of their practices no, but I think the hijab thing isn't just oppressive. Others would say the same thing, just like others would say it is. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

Also Russia is European and has their history rooted in Western history. I'd say they are culturally. They're just more restrict on human rights.

I don't consider it really part of the ME. Islam doesn't automatically make a country a part of the ME either. Is Morocco in the ME too because it's an Islamic county?

I consider Turkey a ME nation because of its history, and where it is located. 95% of it is in the Middle East.

You keep proving yourself wrong with your own posts.

"Yeah theocracy and all that bullshit has been gone from western society for a long time but just because it's alive and well in Islamic countries doesn't mean we can judge then gosh"

No where did I say we can't judge them. Haven't I said before in our argument (much less in this forum in general) that much of the Middle Eastern nations are shit, as is their mindset on a lot of things (hi, Turkey/Kurds)? Pretty sure I said Islam also contributes to the issues they're facing in the Mid East. I'm just not so rash as to think it's the ONLY problem there. I'm not an Islamic apologist or anything. Tbh, it might just be any nation around there is shit since Israel is also not exactly the best of places either. But am I opening another can of worms by saying that?

Quote from: Luciana on August 25, 2016, 08:27:52 PM

Tbh, it might just be any nation around there is shit since Israel is also not exactly the best of places either.

Not to cherry pick your argument or anything but Israel is quite literally the safest place for LGBT minorities and women in the Middle East rn.

Yeah I'm aware. I wasn't really just focused solely on social issues. Perhaps I could have specified better. Government, social, citizens in general, etc, safety, etc.

I think the Israeli people (at least the younger generation) want peace with Palestine and are in agreement that they're not 100% innocent. But the hard liners in the goverment aren't exactly ones for negotiations, and their PM quite literally said a two state solution would never happen to win the vote. Then after he won went back and went "bro it's just a prank lol".

I was basically saying every country there is fucked in some way shape or form and I doubt it's getting better anytime soon.