Crying wolf about Trump, racism and dog whistle politics

 
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Stop turning everything into identity politics. The only thing the media has been able to do for the last five years is shout “IDENTITY POLITICS IDENTITY POLITICS IDENTITY POLITICS IDENTITY POLITICS IDENTITY POLITICS!” at everything, and then when the right wing finally says “Um, i…den-tity….poli-tics?” you freak out and figure that the only way they could have possibly learned that phrase is from the KKK.

Stop calling Trump voters racist. A metaphor: we have freedom of speech not because all speech is good, but because the temptation to ban speech is so great that, unless given a blanket prohibition, it would slide into universal censorship of any unpopular opinion. Likewise, I would recommend you stop calling Trump voters racist – not because none of them are, but because as soon as you give yourself that opportunity, it’s a slippery slope down to “anyone who disagrees with me on anything does so entirely out of raw seething hatred, and my entire outgroup is secret members of the KKK and so I am justified in considering them worthless human trash”. I’m not saying you’re teetering on the edge of that slope. I’m saying you’re way at the bottom, covered by dozens of feet of fallen rocks and snow. Also, I hear that accusing people of racism constantly for no reason is the best way to get them to vote for your candidate next time around. Assuming there is a next time.

Stop centering criticism of Donald Trump around this sort of stuff, and switch to literally anything else. Here is an incompetent thin-skinned ignorant boorish fraudulent omnihypocritical demagogue with no idea how to run a country, whose philosophy of governance basically boils down to “I’m going to win and not lose, details to be filled in later”, and all you can do is repeat, again and again, how he seems popular among weird Internet teenagers who post frog memes. In the middle of an emotionally incontinent reality TV show host getting his hand on the nuclear button, your chief complaint is that in the middle of a few dozen denunciations of the KKK, he once delayed denouncing the KKK for an entire 24 hours before going back to denouncing it again. When a guy who says outright that he won’t respect elections unless he wins them does, somehow, win an election, the headlines are how he once said he didn’t like globalists which means he must be anti-Semitic.

Stop making people suicidal. Stop telling people they’re going to be killed. Stop terrifying children. Stop giving racism free advertising. Stop trying to convince Americans that all the other Americans hate them. Stop. Stop. Stop.


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Over the past year of the election I've all but begged liberals on this site to move on from the hyperbolic rhetoric and criticize any of Trump's numerous legitimate faults. Clinton could have sweeped the election if she had a platform that consisted of anything other than responses to Trump.


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We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the shitlord scripture the Bhagavad Reeeeeeeta; Kek is trying to persuade the prince that he should save his people, and to impress him takes on his frog-headed form, and says, "Now I am become meme, the destroyer of cucks." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
Dog whistles are interesting, because If I didn't know how the alt-right operates I'd dismiss them as "wanting to accuse someone of a thought crime when they haven't said anything obviously wrong". But they openly admit that they take tactics out of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" so my current opinion of dogwhistles is that the people calling them out are mistaking ordinary people for /pol/. Chances are, the person your accusing of using dogwhistles is either uninformed and just repeating something they heard in a meme/video, or they're a deep-cover troll. In either case, attacking them for what sounds to you like a coded message will just turn them and everyone watching against you, even if you're right.
Last Edit: November 17, 2016, 02:42:00 PM by Azendac


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We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the shitlord scripture the Bhagavad Reeeeeeeta; Kek is trying to persuade the prince that he should save his people, and to impress him takes on his frog-headed form, and says, "Now I am become meme, the destroyer of cucks." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
Now for the OP. If I was running a campaign against Trump I'd force him to be on the defensive, making him react to my proposals. The real reason why Bernie was so popular is because he gave voters some future plan to cling onto, just like Trump all of Bernie's supporters had the mindset of "well it's a good sounding vision, so we'll figure out the details when we need to, after we win". Compare this to Clinton's campaign of "first female president" and "literally not Trump", there really isn't much to latch onto there.

The other key point is that, we all saw in the debates just how shit Trump is at defending himself (especially if he needs to recall factoids on the spot). He's a glass cannon that can only win if he's always attacking , which is why he was pretty impotent in the first debate, but aggressive to the point of being criticized in the second debate.

Finally there just wasn't grass roots enthusiasm for Clinton in the same way there was for Trump, you could call this the meme game and at this point you really wouldn't be wrong, there's so much material to work with when talking about Trump and practically none when talking about Clinton. That's partially why most of the zingers from th Clinton campaign were digs at Trump, instead of building up Clinton. What is the response to "God Emperor", "MAGA", "the wall", and everything else mentioned in "Can't Stump the Trump"? There wasn't, at least not anything unique since cries of racism, sexism, hitlerism, have been done to death.

tl;dr the Trump train had fun on all levels, the Clinton campaign did not, and that's what decided the election. Because it was always the democrats election to lose, they had everything in the world going for them and they threw it away with overconfidence in old tactics.
Last Edit: November 17, 2016, 02:56:50 PM by Azendac


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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Trump is a racist, and a misogynist. If you vote for him, it means you're willing to overlook racism and misogyny, which makes you a bigot.

This isn't hard.


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We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the shitlord scripture the Bhagavad Reeeeeeeta; Kek is trying to persuade the prince that he should save his people, and to impress him takes on his frog-headed form, and says, "Now I am become meme, the destroyer of cucks." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
Trump is a racist, and a misogynist. If you vote for him, it means you're willing to overlook racism and misogyny, which makes you a bigot.

This isn't hard.
If you pay attention you'd notice that when critiquing, Trump never mentions race, only countries and governments. He talks about Mexico the country being bad, but praises Hispanics; he talks about China the government being bad, but praises Chinese people; He talks about the American government being terribly managed, but has only praise for Americans. You're going to have to do some serious mental gymnastics to conclude that he's racist, consider that he's never once said the word white, as in white people, during the campaign.

As for mysogyny, all there is is bantz with Rosie O'donnell (who has consistently attacked Trump long before the election), and bantz with Megyn Kelly that was blown out of proportion, and the whole world memory holed them making up with each other.

You're living in a fantasy world where you think a man that never attacks races is somehow Hitler.


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
—Judge Aaron Satie
——Carmen
Trump is a racist, and a misogynist. If you vote for him, it means you're willing to overlook racism and misogyny, which makes you a bigot.

This isn't hard.
If you pay attention you'd notice that when critiquing, Trump never mentions race, only countries and governments. He talks about Mexico the country being bad, but praises Hispanics; he talks about China the government being bad, but praises Chinese people; He talks about the American government being terribly managed, but has only praise for Americans. You're going to have to do some serious mental gymnastics to conclude that he's racist, consider that he's never once said the word white, as in white people, during the campaign.

As for mysogyny, all there is is bantz with Rosie O'donnell (who has consistently attacked Trump long before the election), and bantz with Megyn Kelly that was blown out of proportion, and the whole world memory holed them making up with each other.

You're living in a fantasy world where you think a man that never attacks races is somehow Hitler.
what about when he refused to let african americans into his apartment because of their race

what about when he said he wanted a jew accountant because they're naturally good with money

what about when he made an african american man leave his casino floor because he entered

the only one performing mental gymnastics is you, fucking piece of shit. Delete your fucking account.

And yes, the "lol, its just LOCKER ROOM TALK HAHA" shit was incredibly misogynistic. Go fuck yourself.


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We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the shitlord scripture the Bhagavad Reeeeeeeta; Kek is trying to persuade the prince that he should save his people, and to impress him takes on his frog-headed form, and says, "Now I am become meme, the destroyer of cucks." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
what about when he refused to let african americans into his apartment because of their race
Not really:
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"As far as the lawsuit, yes, when I was very young, I went into my father's company, had a real estate company in Brooklyn and Queens, and we, along with many, many other companies throughout the country -- it was a federal lawsuit -- were sued," Trump said. "We settled the suit with zero -- with no admission of guilt. It was very easy to do."

Indeed, both parties settled in 1975 after a protracted legal battle. Trump claimed victory, writing in his 1987 memoir, Art of the Deal: "In the end, the government couldn’t prove its case, and we ended up taking a minor settlement without admitting any guilt"
He got sued because the government thought they could take him for a ride, he fought back legally and they dropped it when the realized he wasn't a push over, he details this and others in the art of the deal.
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what about when he said he wanted a jew accountant because they're naturally good with money
That's quite the compliment no? I don't see you attacking charlie over his love for big Mexican titties.
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what about when he made an african american man leave his casino floor because he entered
Unproven "he said she said" allegations. And all of these are decades old regardless, why the fuck should I care what he was allegedly doing 20 years ago when he clearly isn't doing that now?
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the only one performing mental gymnastics is you, fucking piece of shit. Delete your fucking account.

And yes, the "lol, its just LOCKER ROOM TALK HAHA" shit was incredibly misogynistic. Go fuck yourself.
That was literally banter, something you can expect from every man possessing a functioning libido, and especially one who surrounds himself with women that love rich men. How the fuck is talking about how much you love women misogynistic?


 
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LOL nice mental gymnastics

trump is satan, youre satan for supporting him, kill yourself so you dont fucking reproduce Id appreciate that dumbfuck

and yes, most men do that "locker room" bullshit, most men are evil. What's your fucking point?


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We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the shitlord scripture the Bhagavad Reeeeeeeta; Kek is trying to persuade the prince that he should save his people, and to impress him takes on his frog-headed form, and says, "Now I am become meme, the destroyer of cucks." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
LOL nice mental gymnastics

trump is satan, youre satan for supporting him, kill yourself so you dont fucking reproduce Id appreciate that dumbfuck
This is serious board.


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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LOL nice mental gymnastics

trump is satan, youre satan for supporting him, kill yourself so you dont fucking reproduce Id appreciate that dumbfuck
This is serious board.

which is why you need to leave


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We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the shitlord scripture the Bhagavad Reeeeeeeta; Kek is trying to persuade the prince that he should save his people, and to impress him takes on his frog-headed form, and says, "Now I am become meme, the destroyer of cucks." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
LOL nice mental gymnastics

trump is satan, youre satan for supporting him, kill yourself so you dont fucking reproduce Id appreciate that dumbfuck
This is serious board.

which is why you need to leave
pls no bully


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LOL nice mental gymnastics

trump is satan, youre satan for supporting him, kill yourself so you dont fucking reproduce Id appreciate that dumbfuck
This is serious board.

which is why you need to leave
pls no bully

this is nice awoo