Even science has its flaws.

You believe that at the beginning, there was nothing, and from that an explosion happened?

Science doesn't have all the answers, so you can't say that it's more plausible than religion. I just try to live a good life Why can't you? I was raised a christian, and I will teach my child the ways of god.

Perhaps you don't realize that it isn't Christians I have a problem with, but the fact they often try to push their morals and beliefs on others.

Quote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 09:48:31 AM

Perhaps you don't realize that it isn't Christians I have a problem with, but the fact they often try to push their morals and beliefs on others.

That shouldn't bother you.

You should be bothered with how good the argument is.

I'm not talking about internet arguments, I'm talking about things like legislation or teaching creationism in science class.

Perhaps you don't realize that it isn't Christians I have a problem with, but the fact they often try to push their morals and beliefs on others.

Hey, I agree with you. But I've seen plenty of atheists who try and push their thoughts and degrade anybody that follows religion

Quote from: Kinder on October 21, 2014, 10:24:12 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 09:48:31 AM

Perhaps you don't realize that it isn't Christians I have a problem with, but the fact they often try to push their morals and beliefs on others.

Hey, I agree with you. But I've seen plenty of atheists who try and push their thoughts and degrade anybody that follows religion

Because some people are dicks. No group is free from them. But I was talking about more big-picture stuff; things that effect people more directly, like laws.

Ah. That makes sense

You believe that at the beginning, there was nothing, and from that an explosion happened?

Anytime someone says this I become certain they don't know what they are talking about.

Everything that attempts to explain the origins of the universe is flawed in some way. Why not just accept that we will never know and live in the moment?

Not everyone who doesn't believe in religion believes in the big bang. But the big bang wasn't an explosion, contrary to its name. It was an expansion that resulted from a chance (quantum fluctuations) that nothingness over an infinite period of time had to become something. The human mind cannot comprehend this - it is a limitation of our mind. We can only think and work in the four dimensions (the three dimensions of space and the fourth dimension of time). It is like trying to imagine a colour you cannot see. Religion is likely a result of this limitation. Our way to connect the dots, if you will.

There are various other theories, such as the multiverse theory and string theory. We will never know what actually happened, though, due to light not being able to exist in the early universe, which means that after a certain distance in the observable universe, things go invisible.

Even religion has its flaws - you believe that in the beginning there was nothing, and a deity just came to be from that nothing? You believe that women were created from a mans rib? You believe that a man split a lake apart and walked through it? You believe that a man can turn water into wine? You believe that the Earth is only a few thousand years old?


Personally, I, believe in nothing. I don't believe in the big bang (or string theory, or the multiverse theory), and I don't believe in religion.

"Cognito ergo sum"

Eh, not sure if troll, but I'll bite.

Quote from: DigitalIZesty on October 21, 2014, 09:16:24 AM

Even science has its flaws.

Which is why the scientific inquiry is constantly expanding and adding to the collective knowledge of the known world around us so we can attempt to eliminate those flaws. It's why we don't use Aristotelian physics in the school curriculum, or in any other educational outlet for that matter.

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You believe that at the beginning, there was nothing, and from that an explosion happened?

If that's why you take issue with the Big Bang then why don't you take issue with God's origin? Why is it ridiculous for the universe to come into fruition but it makes complete logical sense for God to just magically come into being?

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Science doesn't have all the answers

No, but it's provided us with a lot of them. Religion hasn't provided us with any reputable explanations besides a vague assumption of a despotic sky wizard.

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so you can't say that it's more plausible than religion. I just try to live a good life Why can't you?

I live a very happy life without religion and god, thank you very much. It's entirely possible, shockingly enough.

I wasn't even trying to get any comments, I just wanted to prove a point!

God damn low lives are writing several replies all over the thread, and I'm not interested in any one of them. Please stop.

EDIT: lol bait

Why is this on serious?

I have nothing against religious individuals as people.

It's just their non-cognitivist metaphysics I reject - rightfully so, and fervently so, I might maintain.

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Quote from: Madman Mordo on October 21, 2014, 11:58:10 AM

Eh, not sure if troll, but I'll bite.

Quote from: DigitalIZesty on October 21, 2014, 09:16:24 AM

Even science has its flaws.

Which is why the scientific inquiry is constantly expanding and adding to the collective knowledge of the known world around us so we can attempt to eliminate those flaws. It's why we don't use Aristotelian physics in the school curriculum, or in any other educational outlet for that matter.

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You believe that at the beginning, there was nothing, and from that an explosion happened?

If that's why you take issue with the Big Bang then why don't you take issue with God's origin? Why is it ridiculous for the universe to come into fruition but it makes complete logical sense for God to just magically come into being?

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Science doesn't have all the answers

No, but it's provided us with a lot of them. Religion hasn't provided us with any reputable explanations besides a vague assumption of a despotic sky wizard.

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so you can't say that it's more plausible than religion. I just try to live a good life Why can't you?

I live a very happy life without religion and god, thank you very much. It's entirely possible, shockingly enough.

I wasn't even trying to get any comments, I just wanted to prove a point!

God damn low lives are writing several replies all over the thread, and I'm not interested in any one of them. Please stop.

So your logic was to post in a sub forum designed for DISCUSSION right enough?

If you want to voice your edgy opinions without conversation, then make a twitter account. Otherwise, frack off.

My opinion? What part of- you know what? Okay.

Everything that attempts to explain the origins of the universe is flawed in some way. Why not just accept that we will never know and live in the moment?

Not everyone who doesn't believe in religion believes in the big bang. But the big bang wasn't an explosion, contrary to its name. It was an expansion that resulted from a chance (quantum fluctuations) that nothingness over an infinite period of time had to become something. The human mind cannot comprehend this - it is a limitation of our mind. We can only think and work in the four dimensions (the three dimensions of space and the fourth dimension of time). It is like trying to imagine a colour you cannot see. Religion is likely a result of this limitation. Our way to connect the dots, if you will.

There are various other theories, such as the multiverse theory and string theory. We will never know what actually happened, though, due to light not being able to exist in the early universe, which means that after a certain distance in the observable universe, things go invisible.

Even religion has its flaws - you believe that in the beginning there was nothing, and a deity just came to be from that nothing? You believe that women were created from a mans rib? You believe that a man split a lake apart and walked through it? You believe that a man can turn water into wine? You believe that the Earth is only a few thousand years old?


Personally, I, believe in nothing. I don't believe in the big bang (or string theory, or the multiverse theory), and I don't believe in religion.

"Cognito ergo sum"

A couple of minor gripes.

Asserting that that we will never know is just bad as asserting that we already know.

That third paragraph, we may not be able to see light past that point but it is entirely possible we will be able to detect gravitational radiation from the very point of expansion. Also, that point past which we can't detect light was predicted by and only by the Big Bang model.

I don't speak of belief in science, but in degrees of confidence in an observation and the theory that explains it. Scientific theories and religious assertions are hardly on the same footing, to say so is to make quite the category error.

It's "cogito ergo sum", please don't tell me you're a solipsist.