Quote from: guts on July 08, 2015, 09:11:43 PMErm, looks like the lemonade stall plan might not be equitable after all <_<
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 09, 2015, 12:41:35 PMQuote from: guts on July 08, 2015, 09:11:43 PMErm, looks like the lemonade stall plan might not be equitable after all <_<abandon-fucking-ship, actually we could still try profiting quickly and then flee the country before the courts fine :3 OT: What the bakery did was awful but to ruin their lives over a refusal of service is worse than denying some fags who could have just gone to another bakery.
you guys are in britbongistan.You'll be locked away forever
I think we all can agree that their actions were rude, but my major concern is that this type of harsh, punitive fines set a bad precedence. And at the end of the day, it seems apparent that 'the market' already imposed more than enough recourse for their action.
That aside, I don't trust the market to deal with this in an effective way, and I do believe that this should be considered discrimination and should be treated accordingly.
I would like to read more about that then.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:52:54 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 01:24:31 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:09:24 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on July 09, 2015, 01:07:41 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:06:30 PMAll I can side with is that the couple was within their legal right to sue the bakery for discrimination.Obviously, but we're quite clearly debating the merits of the law here.And I think anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBTs are both necessary and right.1. Pretty sure you'll be sued to death of you fire somebody for being gay. Haven't heard of people being fired for being gay. Obviously the official reasons won't be listed as "fired for being gay", but people know when it happens and would raise hell about it. 2. LOL3. And Jews still face discrimination because Neo Nazis are protected by police when they fly their nazi flag. Fuck off. 4. Landlords can rent to whoever hey want to. You'll find black people still have a tough time renting in majority white areas. While this is wrong, it isn't institutionalized discrimination. 5. That isn't institutionalized discrimination. 6. Of course. Provide support for the middle class and rich gay kids but arrest and shoot kids in the ghetto. 7. They should be restricted. 8. I don't see how jury duty is so appealing or how they can really tell if somebody's gay, but ok. 9. Transgenders are mentally unstable and shouldn't serve in the military. 10. That's a problem with parents not accepting their kids. It isn't oppression. 11. Adoption is really fucked up for everybody no matter how you look at it. But yes, it's ducked up how gay couples are discarded. 12. Happens to everybody. 13. Happens more to ethnic and religious minorities than gays and trannies. 14. I don't even know what to say to this shit. These people are going to be messed with in any gender prison. 15. Happens to everybody. 16. You can't pass a law to stop people from disliking and rejecting homosexuality and transgenderism. Gays and such are hardly oppressed.I can't tell if you're being serious or just fucking with me.Sick rebuttal yo
Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 01:24:31 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:09:24 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on July 09, 2015, 01:07:41 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:06:30 PMAll I can side with is that the couple was within their legal right to sue the bakery for discrimination.Obviously, but we're quite clearly debating the merits of the law here.And I think anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBTs are both necessary and right.1. Pretty sure you'll be sued to death of you fire somebody for being gay. Haven't heard of people being fired for being gay. Obviously the official reasons won't be listed as "fired for being gay", but people know when it happens and would raise hell about it. 2. LOL3. And Jews still face discrimination because Neo Nazis are protected by police when they fly their nazi flag. Fuck off. 4. Landlords can rent to whoever hey want to. You'll find black people still have a tough time renting in majority white areas. While this is wrong, it isn't institutionalized discrimination. 5. That isn't institutionalized discrimination. 6. Of course. Provide support for the middle class and rich gay kids but arrest and shoot kids in the ghetto. 7. They should be restricted. 8. I don't see how jury duty is so appealing or how they can really tell if somebody's gay, but ok. 9. Transgenders are mentally unstable and shouldn't serve in the military. 10. That's a problem with parents not accepting their kids. It isn't oppression. 11. Adoption is really fucked up for everybody no matter how you look at it. But yes, it's ducked up how gay couples are discarded. 12. Happens to everybody. 13. Happens more to ethnic and religious minorities than gays and trannies. 14. I don't even know what to say to this shit. These people are going to be messed with in any gender prison. 15. Happens to everybody. 16. You can't pass a law to stop people from disliking and rejecting homosexuality and transgenderism. Gays and such are hardly oppressed.I can't tell if you're being serious or just fucking with me.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:09:24 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on July 09, 2015, 01:07:41 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:06:30 PMAll I can side with is that the couple was within their legal right to sue the bakery for discrimination.Obviously, but we're quite clearly debating the merits of the law here.And I think anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBTs are both necessary and right.1. Pretty sure you'll be sued to death of you fire somebody for being gay. Haven't heard of people being fired for being gay. Obviously the official reasons won't be listed as "fired for being gay", but people know when it happens and would raise hell about it. 2. LOL3. And Jews still face discrimination because Neo Nazis are protected by police when they fly their nazi flag. Fuck off. 4. Landlords can rent to whoever hey want to. You'll find black people still have a tough time renting in majority white areas. While this is wrong, it isn't institutionalized discrimination. 5. That isn't institutionalized discrimination. 6. Of course. Provide support for the middle class and rich gay kids but arrest and shoot kids in the ghetto. 7. They should be restricted. 8. I don't see how jury duty is so appealing or how they can really tell if somebody's gay, but ok. 9. Transgenders are mentally unstable and shouldn't serve in the military. 10. That's a problem with parents not accepting their kids. It isn't oppression. 11. Adoption is really fucked up for everybody no matter how you look at it. But yes, it's ducked up how gay couples are discarded. 12. Happens to everybody. 13. Happens more to ethnic and religious minorities than gays and trannies. 14. I don't even know what to say to this shit. These people are going to be messed with in any gender prison. 15. Happens to everybody. 16. You can't pass a law to stop people from disliking and rejecting homosexuality and transgenderism. Gays and such are hardly oppressed.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on July 09, 2015, 01:07:41 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:06:30 PMAll I can side with is that the couple was within their legal right to sue the bakery for discrimination.Obviously, but we're quite clearly debating the merits of the law here.And I think anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBTs are both necessary and right.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:06:30 PMAll I can side with is that the couple was within their legal right to sue the bakery for discrimination.Obviously, but we're quite clearly debating the merits of the law here.
All I can side with is that the couple was within their legal right to sue the bakery for discrimination.
Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 12:48:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 12:47:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 12:46:03 PMThey're not being discriminated against. Being denied a service because of a personal characteristic is literally the definition of discrimination.It's a cake. They're not being lynched.The severity of the discrimination doesn't make it not discrimination.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 12:47:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 12:46:03 PMThey're not being discriminated against. Being denied a service because of a personal characteristic is literally the definition of discrimination.It's a cake. They're not being lynched.
Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 12:46:03 PMThey're not being discriminated against. Being denied a service because of a personal characteristic is literally the definition of discrimination.
They're not being discriminated against.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 12:51:59 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 12:48:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 12:47:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 12:46:03 PMThey're not being discriminated against. Being denied a service because of a personal characteristic is literally the definition of discrimination.It's a cake. They're not being lynched.The severity of the discrimination doesn't make it not discrimination.The severity of the discrimination should determine the severity of the punishment. I really can't feel bad about the fundies losing their business as a result of public backlash, but this ruling is just fucking wrong.
Quote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 09, 2015, 03:57:49 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 12:51:59 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 12:48:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 12:47:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 12:46:03 PMThey're not being discriminated against. Being denied a service because of a personal characteristic is literally the definition of discrimination.It's a cake. They're not being lynched.The severity of the discrimination doesn't make it not discrimination.The severity of the discrimination should determine the severity of the punishment. I really can't feel bad about the fundies losing their business as a result of public backlash, but this ruling is just fucking wrong.It's been mentioned a couple times that we don't have public access to the court's documents on the case, so we don't know exactly how that number was determined.For all we know, it could have included $100,000 of lawyer fees.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 03:30:21 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 03:27:25 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:52:54 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 01:24:31 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:09:24 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on July 09, 2015, 01:07:41 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:06:30 PMAll I can side with is that the couple was within their legal right to sue the bakery for discrimination.Obviously, but we're quite clearly debating the merits of the law here.And I think anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBTs are both necessary and right.1. Pretty sure you'll be sued to death of you fire somebody for being gay. Haven't heard of people being fired for being gay. Obviously the official reasons won't be listed as "fired for being gay", but people know when it happens and would raise hell about it. 2. LOL3. And Jews still face discrimination because Neo Nazis are protected by police when they fly their nazi flag. Fuck off. 4. Landlords can rent to whoever hey want to. You'll find black people still have a tough time renting in majority white areas. While this is wrong, it isn't institutionalized discrimination. 5. That isn't institutionalized discrimination. 6. Of course. Provide support for the middle class and rich gay kids but arrest and shoot kids in the ghetto. 7. They should be restricted. 8. I don't see how jury duty is so appealing or how they can really tell if somebody's gay, but ok. 9. Transgenders are mentally unstable and shouldn't serve in the military. 10. That's a problem with parents not accepting their kids. It isn't oppression. 11. Adoption is really fucked up for everybody no matter how you look at it. But yes, it's ducked up how gay couples are discarded. 12. Happens to everybody. 13. Happens more to ethnic and religious minorities than gays and trannies. 14. I don't even know what to say to this shit. These people are going to be messed with in any gender prison. 15. Happens to everybody. 16. You can't pass a law to stop people from disliking and rejecting homosexuality and transgenderism. Gays and such are hardly oppressed.I can't tell if you're being serious or just fucking with me.Sick rebuttal yowhy would I waste my time responding to a joke post?I provided a rebuttal for every point, only two of which are discrimination and none of them are oppression. If you don't have a rebuttal and can't form one, that's fine. Just don't start throwing shit around like a chimp because you can't handle what I have to say.
Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 03:27:25 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:52:54 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 01:24:31 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:09:24 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on July 09, 2015, 01:07:41 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 01:06:30 PMAll I can side with is that the couple was within their legal right to sue the bakery for discrimination.Obviously, but we're quite clearly debating the merits of the law here.And I think anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBTs are both necessary and right.1. Pretty sure you'll be sued to death of you fire somebody for being gay. Haven't heard of people being fired for being gay. Obviously the official reasons won't be listed as "fired for being gay", but people know when it happens and would raise hell about it. 2. LOL3. And Jews still face discrimination because Neo Nazis are protected by police when they fly their nazi flag. Fuck off. 4. Landlords can rent to whoever hey want to. You'll find black people still have a tough time renting in majority white areas. While this is wrong, it isn't institutionalized discrimination. 5. That isn't institutionalized discrimination. 6. Of course. Provide support for the middle class and rich gay kids but arrest and shoot kids in the ghetto. 7. They should be restricted. 8. I don't see how jury duty is so appealing or how they can really tell if somebody's gay, but ok. 9. Transgenders are mentally unstable and shouldn't serve in the military. 10. That's a problem with parents not accepting their kids. It isn't oppression. 11. Adoption is really fucked up for everybody no matter how you look at it. But yes, it's ducked up how gay couples are discarded. 12. Happens to everybody. 13. Happens more to ethnic and religious minorities than gays and trannies. 14. I don't even know what to say to this shit. These people are going to be messed with in any gender prison. 15. Happens to everybody. 16. You can't pass a law to stop people from disliking and rejecting homosexuality and transgenderism. Gays and such are hardly oppressed.I can't tell if you're being serious or just fucking with me.Sick rebuttal yowhy would I waste my time responding to a joke post?
Quote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 09, 2015, 04:05:24 PMWhich would be as wrong as a straight up 130,000 dollar emotional suffering claim, IMO.Because the fees are so high or because the losing party would be forced to pay them?
Which would be as wrong as a straight up 130,000 dollar emotional suffering claim, IMO.
Why is it you come to the Serious forum again?
Quote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 04:40:25 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 04:36:02 PMWhy is it you come to the Serious forum again?That's a great fucking question."waah people don't agree with me"Because you're literally the leftist version of PSU. There's a reason people made the joke that PSU is your alt.
Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 04:36:02 PMWhy is it you come to the Serious forum again?That's a great fucking question.
I have no problem having civilized discussions with people I don't agree with. In fact, those are often the most enjoyable.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 04:45:12 PMI have no problem having civilized discussions with people I don't agree with. In fact, those are often the most enjoyable.Sure thing, buddy.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 04:45:12 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 04:41:51 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 04:40:25 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 04:36:02 PMWhy is it you come to the Serious forum again?That's a great fucking question."waah people don't agree with me"Because you're literally the leftist version of PSU. There's a reason people made the joke that PSU is your alt.It has literally nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. I have no problem having civilized discussions with people I don't agree with. In fact, those are often the most enjoyable.Your hypocrisy is astounding. I made a post rebutting the points in the article you linked, and all you did was say my post was a joke instead of "having a civil discussion". Drop the act you fucking retard. You're no more interested in a civil discussion than a wild animal is.
Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 04:41:51 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 09, 2015, 04:40:25 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 09, 2015, 04:36:02 PMWhy is it you come to the Serious forum again?That's a great fucking question."waah people don't agree with me"Because you're literally the leftist version of PSU. There's a reason people made the joke that PSU is your alt.It has literally nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. I have no problem having civilized discussions with people I don't agree with. In fact, those are often the most enjoyable.
Oh sorry, I forgot Meta was the Spr Srs Militia.
Oregon bakery owners fined $135,000 for refusing to serve gay couple
