Opinions on the raising of children by same-sex parents?

 
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Max's point is that racism and sexism are rampant in the Bible. Which is true.

Which has nothing to do with the plentiful good sense that is actually in the Bible.

A socially-liberal person like yourself probably doesn't see much worth in what I'm talking about, though.


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Max's point is that racism and sexism are rampant in the Bible. Which is true.

Which has nothing to do with the plentiful good sense that is actually in the Bible.

A socially-liberal person like yourself probably doesn't see much worth in what I'm talking about, though.
You can't follow the Bible without also listening to the shitty stuff it says. Then you're just cherry-picking what you like. At that point, there's no point in following anything it says if you're just going to do what you think is right.


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What even is this thread

Why is this thread


 
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You can't follow the Bible without also listening to the shitty stuff it says.

And why not?

Besides, the shitty things in the Bible aren't to be taken out of context nor taken literally (that goes for everything). Paul warns about this several times.


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You know, looking at the track record of failures from all those dysfunctional two parent families, the problems that one parent families face by not having that second partner in the equation, and the problem of no parent families....

I'd be inclined to say that a two parent family of the same sex doesn't really make that large of a marginal difference.


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I mean, if you live in the 1950's mentality that women and coloreds are below the white man, then I guess that makes sense.

No, of course I don't think that.

I probably shouldn't be having this conversation with you, anyway.
Probably not. Believing in Christianity is dumb to being with; doing so without believing in God is even dumber.

Why am I not surprised you have such a dumb opinion like this?


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I mean, if you live in the 1950's mentality that women and coloreds are below the white man, then I guess that makes sense.

No, of course I don't think that.

I probably shouldn't be having this conversation with you, anyway.
Probably not. Believing in Christianity is dumb to being with; doing so without believing in God is even dumber.

Why am I not surprised you have such a dumb opinion like this?
Isn't the whole point in Christianity to seek salvation through Christ and worship God? What's the point in being Christian if you don't believe Christ leads to salvation and you don't believe God exist?


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I mean, if you live in the 1950's mentality that women and coloreds are below the white man, then I guess that makes sense.

No, of course I don't think that.

I probably shouldn't be having this conversation with you, anyway.
Probably not. Believing in Christianity is dumb to being with; doing so without believing in God is even dumber.

Why am I not surprised you have such a dumb opinion like this?
Isn't the whole point in Christianity to seek salvation through Christ and worship God? What's the point in being Christian if you don't believe Christ leads to salvation and you don't believe God exist?

"Believing in Christianity is dumb to begin with"

Man, you're gonna be in a real shock once you get sent to Hell


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I mean, if you live in the 1950's mentality that women and coloreds are below the white man, then I guess that makes sense.

No, of course I don't think that.

I probably shouldn't be having this conversation with you, anyway.
Probably not. Believing in Christianity is dumb to being with; doing so without believing in God is even dumber.

Why am I not surprised you have such a dumb opinion like this?
Isn't the whole point in Christianity to seek salvation through Christ and worship God? What's the point in being Christian if you don't believe Christ leads to salvation and you don't believe God exist?

"Believing in Christianity is dumb to begin with"

Man, you're gonna be in a real shock once you get sent to Hell
I doubt I'd be sent to hell simply because I used the brain that God gave me.


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I mean, if you live in the 1950's mentality that women and coloreds are below the white man, then I guess that makes sense.

No, of course I don't think that.

I probably shouldn't be having this conversation with you, anyway.
Probably not. Believing in Christianity is dumb to being with; doing so without believing in God is even dumber.

Why am I not surprised you have such a dumb opinion like this?
Isn't the whole point in Christianity to seek salvation through Christ and worship God? What's the point in being Christian if you don't believe Christ leads to salvation and you don't believe God exist?

"Believing in Christianity is dumb to begin with"

Man, you're gonna be in a real shock once you get sent to Hell
I doubt I'd be sent to hell simply because I used the brain that God gave me.

God gave you a brain and you are willingly denying His existence. I'm pretty sure He'll send you to Hell for that. Oh well, more room in Heaven for me


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I mean, if you live in the 1950's mentality that women and coloreds are below the white man, then I guess that makes sense.

No, of course I don't think that.

I probably shouldn't be having this conversation with you, anyway.
Probably not. Believing in Christianity is dumb to being with; doing so without believing in God is even dumber.

Why am I not surprised you have such a dumb opinion like this?
Isn't the whole point in Christianity to seek salvation through Christ and worship God? What's the point in being Christian if you don't believe Christ leads to salvation and you don't believe God exist?

"Believing in Christianity is dumb to begin with"

Man, you're gonna be in a real shock once you get sent to Hell
I doubt I'd be sent to hell simply because I used the brain that God gave me.

God gave you a brain and you are willingly denying His existence. I'm pretty sure He'll send you to Hell for that. Oh well, more room in Heaven for me
I remain unconvinced of his existence because I have the ability to question things.


 
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No man has the authority to tell another where God will send them. I struggle to believe a follower of Christ's message, inadvertent or not, could be justifiably sent to hell.

Midget's retarded, this is nothing new.
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In fact, I struggle with the idea of hell in general.


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In fact, I struggle with the idea of hell in general.
But you don't believe in God, and God created sin. Sin [or rather, unrepented sin, depending on your flavor of Christianity] is what sends you to hell. Without God, there is no sin.


 
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But you don't believe in God, and God created sin. Sin [or rather, unrepented sin, depending on your flavor of Christianity] is what sends you to hell. Without God, there is no sin.

I don't understand your point.


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But you don't believe in God, and God created sin. Sin [or rather, unrepented sin, depending on your flavor of Christianity] is what sends you to hell. Without God, there is no sin.

I don't understand your point.
You said earlier that you believe in heaven and hell, yet don't believe in God. Without God, there are no rules by which you are sent to heaven/hell.


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You said earlier that you believe in heaven and hell, yet don't believe in God. Without God, there are no rules by which you are sent to heaven/hell.

No, I said, "Under my current belief system, I still exist after death [the implication here is heaven and hell]." To which I followed up by saying that I'm not sold on the supernatural aspects of the religion, like the actual existence of my God, heaven and hell, resurrection, etc.

I understand the confusion, but I meant, I, "officially", as an Orthodox Christian, believe in heaven and hell.

I've only recently (this passed Monday) decided to become a Christian, and considering I was always a pretty comfortable atheist, it's still a bit hard for me to just take the leap. Trying to figure things out for myself, so I apologise if I don't have all the answers you're looking for (and I'm not even sure they exist).


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God created sin.
Do you actually know anything about Christianity or are you just baiting
God created all things, including the rules for what is or isn't sinful.


 
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God created all things, including the rules for what is or isn't sinful.

God's rules generally line up pretty well with secular reasoning, though. Anything I believe thanks to my doctrine I can back up without reverting to the "it's bad 'cuz God said so" line.


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No man has the authority to tell another where God will send them. I struggle to believe a follower of Christ's message, inadvertent or not, could be justifiably sent to hell.

Midget's retarded, this is nothing new.

I'm retarded for telling God's truth? If you deny Him you go to Hell, it's that simple


 
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I'm retarded for telling God's truth? If you deny Him you go to Hell, it's that simple

Belief in God is not a choice, an atheist like Max has no ability to just "choose" to believe that Christ died on the cross. That is how it works.


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I'm retarded for telling God's truth? If you deny Him you go to Hell, it's that simple

Belief in God is not a choice, an atheist like Max has no ability to just "choose" to believe that Christ died on the cross. That is how it works.

Wrong. If you've been introduced to God's word and still deny Him, you have made a choice. THAT is how it works.


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God created sin.
Do you actually know anything about Christianity or are you just baiting
God created all things, including the rules for what is or isn't sinful.
Sin is the result of Man's failure to live in union with God's divine life. It literally means "missing the mark". There isn't a list of sins, there isn't a rule for what is and isn't sin. Sin isn't something that is "created" per se, it refers to man's failure. OUR failure. Not God's.
Are not the Ten Commandments considered rules?


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Wrong. If you've been introduced to God's word and still deny Him, you have made a choice. THAT is how it works.

Define "deny".

If you mean "reject the overall theme of Jesus' message in order to live a sinful (see: individualistic/humanistic/nihilistic secular) life", then I could maybe see where you're coming from.

But you didn't choose to believe Unicorns don't exist. Max didn't choose to believe God didn't exist. That's not how God works; if he could be proven to exist, it would invalidate faith entirely. Which makes someone like Max, who values reason and rationality, as well as empirical evidence above (likely) all else, hard-pressed to just accept the scientifically unlikely premise of Jesus Christ's resurrection.


 
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It is a constant contradiction between belief and doubt, a continual renewal of faith in the face of doubt and skepticism.

This is so fucking spot-on

I really gotta read that book as soon as possible.