Quote from: gatsby on March 01, 2016, 07:24:36 AM

Single parents can raise kids so I don't see why a same-sex couple can't.

Single parents shouldn't raise kids.

Agreed, when couples divorce they should throw their children into a meat grinder.

Seriously though that is a very childish comment to make, no one wants to raise a child on their own but what other options do they have? Put their children in an already over crowded adoption system?

It's not like couples have kids with the plan of getting divorced later. Plus an unhappy married environment is even worse for kids than just getting divorced. 

Quote from: Eliab on March 01, 2016, 08:44:49 AM

Quote from: PSU on March 01, 2016, 08:37:31 AM

lol

You're telling me that a single-parent scenario is the ideal environment for raising a child?

Of course its not ideal. Nothing in life is ideal. But I've seen great kids come out of single parent homes.

I agree.

Single-parentage is not ideal. It shouldn't happen.

That's all I said.

Quote from: PSU on March 01, 2016, 08:47:39 AM

Quote from: Eliab on March 01, 2016, 08:44:49 AM

Quote from: PSU on March 01, 2016, 08:37:31 AM

lol

You're telling me that a single-parent scenario is the ideal environment for raising a child?

Of course its not ideal. Nothing in life is ideal. But I've seen great kids come out of single parent homes.

I agree.

Single-parentage is not ideal. It shouldn't happen.

That's all I said.

It shouldn't but it ALWAYS will happen.

Divorce and death are 2 reasons why.

Quote from: PSU on March 01, 2016, 09:04:35 AM

It shouldn't but it ALWAYS will happen.

Divorce and death are 2 reasons why.

Okay -- what's your point?

My point is you can't be complaining about it when its always going to happen. Nothing wrong with getting divorced, some people aren't right for each other.

My point is you can't be complaining about it when its always going to happen.

I absolutely can complain about it. There are loads of things that always happen we should be working towards ending -- single-parentage is one of them.

Nothing wrong with getting divorced, some people aren't right for each other.

"Not be right for each other" is something you should figure out before you become bound to a marriage. This is what I'm talking about -- people today do not take marriage seriously enough.

Not to mention, the Bible is very clear on divorce.

Quote from: PSU on March 01, 2016, 09:14:19 AM

My point is you can't be complaining about it when its always going to happen.

I absolutely can complain about it. There are loads of things that always happen we should be working towards ending -- single-parentage is one of them.

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Nothing wrong with getting divorced, some people aren't right for each other.

"Not be right for each other" is something you should figure out before you become bound to a marriage. This is what I'm talking about -- people today do not take marriage seriously enough.

Not to mention, the Bible is very clear on divorce.

What can we "work towards ending" though? How could it possibly even be done?

No one knows how they are going to feel 20-30 years down the road. I currently love my wife, I'd die for her. But is that how I'll feel in 30 years? Who knows?

Even as a practicing christian, the Bible has little to no effect on marriages today. 

No one knows how they are going to feel 20-30 years down the road. I currently love my wife, I'd die for her. But is that how I'll feel in 30 years? Who knows?

You? If you cannot commit to someone for life, don't. That's what marriage is -- a commitment to another person until death (and some would argue even past that.)

If you are not capable of this, don't do it.

Even as a practicing christian, the Bible has little to no effect on marriages today.

And for Christians, it absolutely should.

My only concern would be how other kids treat a child with same sex parents.

(two male fathers with a daughter starting her period, for example)

There are a lot of women who don't understand female anatomy.

You know it's bad when PSU has the good, socially tolerant opinions and Prehistoric is the one stuck in the past.

You know it's bad when you agree with the village idiot.

My only concern would be how other kids treat a child with same sex parents.

kids always find something to tease about.

Quote from: SecondClass on March 01, 2016, 03:54:17 PM

There's absolutely nothing wrong with single parents. They have far more bravery and patience than the kiddos who point fingers at them to look smart.

There's nothing wrong with it. So you're saying that single-parentage is an ideal living environment for a child to grow up in?

Thanks for admitting I look smart, though.

An ideal living environment would be non-conception in the first place. Of course, the second best would be along the lines of loving father and loving mother teaching their child compassion, ethics, real-world truths, and all that in a friendly but safe neighborhood. Does that mean it's the only one that works? Of course not. Kids have been abused by different-sex parents and turned out to be functional adults. There's no sense running around judging same-sex and single parents just because they're not the optimal situation. Anyone can look at a marriage from a distance, wag their finger and say "tsk tsk, should've stayed together, better for the child." But when you're actually in a situation like that, things look different. No one gets married or has a kid with divorce in their minds. People change.

An ideal living environment would be non-conception in the first place.

Are you an anti-natalist yet?

Does that mean it's the only one that works?

It works the best and should be the ultimate goal of a parent.

There's no sense running around judging same-sex and single parents just because they're not the optimal situation.

Did no such thing, but okay.

Anyone can look at a marriage from a distance, wag their finger and say "tsk tsk, should've stayed together, better for the child."

Not what I'm saying.

People change.

People get tired of other people they've made commitments to.

People are shit.

But the point is, and what ^Eliab there is missing, is that an optimal situation is never going to happen, and that it's not something to strive for.

Anything less than perfection is a complete waste of time.

Quote from: SecondClass on March 01, 2016, 04:18:41 PM

But the point is, and what ^Eliab there is missing, is that an optimal situation is never going to happen, and that it's not something to strive for.

Anything less than perfection is a complete waste of time.

Sounds familiar

but IRL that's a terrible mentality

like, blatantly terrible