Why is it when Nazis murder Jews and other minorities by the millions it's a product of their ideology.

Yet when Islamic fundamentalists are willing to hit the wall at 400mph--as well as blow each other up, commit genocide in Northwest Iraq, be in league with a Middle-Eastern demagogue and psychopath, shoot little girls for wanting an education, call for the death of apostates, fire rockets from beside schools and hospitals, air anti-Semitic cartoons and murder Australian tourists for not being allowed to commit annexation and genocide--it is somehow the fault of American and Zionist imperialism?

Pure masochistic bullshit.

Muslims aren't nearly the threat the Nazis were. The Nazis were 30 years ahead of the rest of the world technologically speaking and their genocide was mechanical and efficient. Muslims just aren't that smart, in fact they're rather pitiable in how third world and pathetic they are.

You're overselling the Reich, there.

The Nazis were a horribly inefficient mess who managed to put on a good show.

Nonetheless, this has nothing to do with various threat levels. It's to do with the connection between beliefs and action; why do we keep making excuses for fundamentalist Islam?

The Nazis were 30 years ahead of the rest of the world technologically speaking

Maybe five.

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on January 02, 2015, 07:56:56 PM

Quote from: WBC Dustin on January 02, 2015, 07:48:49 PM

The Nazis were 30 years ahead of the rest of the world technologically speaking

Maybe five.

The show I watched on the history channel ten years ago that I vaguely remember said twenty or thirty.

But the history channel specials are all written by a bunch of Wehraboo Nazi apologists. 

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Quote from: WBC Dustin on January 02, 2015, 07:48:49 PM

The Nazis were 30 years ahead of the rest of the world technologically speaking

Maybe five.

The show I watched on the history channel ten years ago that I vaguely remember said twenty or thirty.

But the history channel specials are all written by a bunch of Wehraboo Nazi apologists.

Seriously, these are the people who think the Sturmgewehr and the Panzerfaust were so revolutionary they must have been given to Hitler by aliens.

But if the STG wasn't from aliens, what was Die Glocke for?

Careful now you'll hurt someone's feelings and then all the internet freedom fighters will jump you with love and equality

Well America plays a part as to why the Middle-East is such as shithole. Before the 40s, it wasn't all that bad and throughout history we saw many great societies flourish and intellect advance. America's financing of coups and toppling of strong leaders in favor of weak puppets lead to various groups wanting to take power because they think they're stronger and then this government doesn't have America there to back them up until their interests (oil) is at stake 

I very seriously doubt america had much to do w/ the fall of islamic asia from a cultural beacon to what amounts to theocratic lunacy. Especially considering it happened centuries before.

Quote from: Haus Immer Gewinnt on January 03, 2015, 12:39:10 AM

Well America plays a part as to why the Middle-East is such as shithole. Before the 40s, it wasn't all that bad and throughout history we saw many great societies flourish and intellect advance. America's financing of coups and toppling of strong leaders in favor of weak puppets lead to various groups wanting to take power because they think they're stronger and then this government doesn't have America there to back them up until their interests (oil) is at stake 

I very seriously doubt america had much to do w/ the fall of islamic asia from a cultural beacon to what amounts to theocratic lunacy. Especially considering it happened centuries before.

I'm not going to argue that the state of Islamic Asia deteriorated as the Ottomans lost power, but you can't possibly deny that American intervention in the Middle-East during the 50s didn't somehow influence the radicalization of Muslims.

I'm not going to argue that the state of Islamic Asia deteriorated as the Ottomans lost power, but you can't possibly deny that American intervention in the Middle-East during the 50s didn't somehow influence the radicalization of Muslims.

Even if that's the case I really don't care. We are, always have been, and always will be, operating on the moral high ground.

Remember, it's racist to question the ideals and dogmas of Islam.

Quote from: BrenMan 94 on January 03, 2015, 03:51:37 AM

I'm not going to argue that the state of Islamic Asia deteriorated as the Ottomans lost power, but you can't possibly deny that American intervention in the Middle-East during the 50s didn't somehow influence the radicalization of Muslims.

Even if that's the case I really don't care. We are, always have been, and always will be, operating on the moral high ground.

lol no

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Quote from: BrenMan 94 on January 03, 2015, 03:51:37 AM

I'm not going to argue that the state of Islamic Asia deteriorated as the Ottomans lost power, but you can't possibly deny that American intervention in the Middle-East during the 50s didn't somehow influence the radicalization of Muslims.

Even if that's the case I really don't care. We are, always have been, and always will be, operating on the moral high ground.

lol no

lol yes

32pc of Palestinians once voiced their support in favour of slaughtering a Jewish family, including the children.

83pc of Palestinians support some or most of the groups which attack America.

89pc of Palestinians support Hamas.

51pc of Palestinians supported Osama bin Laden.

Don't try and tell me we aren't operating on the moral high ground in this instance, fighting Hamas and the other fundamentalists who absolutely oppose the principles that our civilisation is built upon. You can surrender and sell your soul to the unspeakable barbarism these groups support and carry out, but you can fuck off if you even think for a second that I'll condone your opinion or even take you seriously.

More BS from Metas bias mouth. Lol

Quote from: Ushan on January 03, 2015, 06:06:15 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 02, 2015, 07:39:33 PM

Yet when Islamic fundamentalists are willing to hit the wall at 400mph--as well as blow each other up, commit genocide in Northwest Iraq, be in league with a Middle-Eastern demagogue and psychopath, shoot little girls for wanting an education, call for the death of apostates, fire rockets from beside schools and hospitals, air anti-Semitic cartoons and murder Australian tourists for not being allowed to commit annexation and genocide--it is somehow the fault of American and Zionist imperialism?

Who said that?

Every single liberal person I've spoke to on the issue of American foreign policy--and a lot of libertarians--with the exception of some high profile liberals like Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins.

Eh, I'm a filthy hippie liberal, and I'd be disinclined to say that it's the combined fault of the Israelis and Americans, I don't think that everything that they've done has improved things, but I think the jihadists who commit violence ought to carry the weight of the responsibility on the basis that they committed it. Certainly The Americans and Israelis could be doing more to help the region, but that's true of just about every nation that isn't in the technological dark ages still.

Quote from: Haus Immer Gewinnt on January 03, 2015, 12:39:10 AM

Well America plays a part as to why the Middle-East is such as shithole.

America created Islam?

That has to do with what?

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Quote from: Haus Immer Gewinnt on January 03, 2015, 12:39:10 AM

Well America plays a part as to why the Middle-East is such as shithole.

America created Islam?

That has to do with what?

Islam is an inherently barbarous religions; hell, it was spread by the sword in the first place.

Don't buy into the PC myth of this brilliant Ottoman Empire which was both peaceful and tolerant.

And Christianity wasn't spread by sword, violence, and torture? If it was such a barbarous religion then why isn't the millions of Muslims living in America attacking non-believers? Why are they not committing Jihad? It's only barbarous because those in power are able to prey on the ignorance of the others, especially when many can't even read their own religious script because education in certain areas is impossible. Everything from math, science, and to astronomy we use today either was started or created by Muslims throughout the Islamic World during the European Middle-Ages 

Yeah, the O.E may not be what we call tolerant as based on the standards of Western nations, but it was still a very tolerant nation for it's place in time. Sure, to serve in the military you had to be Muslim but other religions, especially Jews and Christians, embraced Ottoman rule over the rule of their former nations. And because the Quran accepts the prophets of Christianity and Judaism, along with being Ahl al-Kitab, (“people of the book”) and they were given state protection. Jews and Christians enjoyed certain privileges under Ottoman Rule that was not granted to minorities in Europe, where Jews and Muslims were often persecuted or held back due to religious prejudice.