Oklahoma Looks to Put Approval of Marriage Licenses in the Hands of the Clergy.

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Oklahoma state representative Todd Russ has filed House Bill 1125, which would require all marriages to have the stamp of approval of a minister, priest, rabbi or other religious official.

    "Put it back to what it was supposed to be and was originally, a holy matrimony and a very solemn and spiritual vow." said Rep. Russ.

Rep. Russ admits he came up with the idea after Oklahoma's same-sex marriage ban was ruled unconstitutional last October. Rep. Russ sees it as a way to keep judges and clerks who are opposed to marriage equality from having to issue marriage licenses or officiate at same-sex weddings.

     "It doesn't put the county officials into the business of condoning it or approving it or licensing it," explained Rep. Russ.

Under House Bill 1125, judges would no longer have the power to officiate at marriages and court clerks would not issue marriage licenses. The clerks' only responsibility would be to file the licenses that couples received through their officiating clergy member. Of course, clergy can grant licenses according to their own religious beliefs, which again leaves a lot of gay couples on the outside looking in.

Representative Russ, (photo right) however, has a solution for those who aren't religious or aren't able to receive religious approval.

    "They don't have a spiritual basis for a marriage and don't want to have a clergy member or a priest or someone involved in the spiritual aspect, then they can file an affidavit of common-law marriage," Rep. Russ told reporters.

So religious people can get married married, and everyone else can claim common law status? I wish someone would ask him how that is not a violation of the establishment clause?

Russ maintains his bill is a way for the State of Oklahoma stick their finger in the eye of the federal government, complaining:

    "Where the federal government does not have a right to come in and force its new definitions of what they believe on independent states. Not just Oklahoma, but any state."

By the way, Oklahoma does not recognize "common law" marriages. It's just another way to separate those "not worthy."

Sooo...take the power of handing out Licenses to religious clergies instead of the fucking people chosen to do this shit...and then anyone who isn't "religiously" married just gets a Common-Law Marriage?

Fuck you Russ.


 
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The worst part about that idiot getting voted into his position? You know that more idiots voted for him.


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Government should get out of marriage period


 
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Government should get out of marriage period

Government should work to protect their citizens from blatant discrimination.

If that means they have to give out marriage licenses to couples a church won't wed, or to the non religious, so fucking be it.


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But Id bet my life that they will have a higher marriage success rate than any other state


 
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Government should get out of marriage period

Government should work to protect their citizens from blatant discrimination.

If that means they have to give out marriage licenses to couples a church won't wed, or to the non religious, so fucking be it.
Discrimination is being beaten up and called a faggot. A church refusing to perform a service for you is a non-issue when it comes to discrimination.


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There's no way this will go wrong!


 
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What if someone is atheist? Or of a religion that is not available?


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What if someone is atheist? Or of a religion that is not available?
That's probably a secondary reason they did this. They see marriage as a union between man and woman...and God.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
It's discrimination if you refuse service to somebody because of their sexuality or skin color
I know, I'm just saying it really isn't worth worrying about. Consumers need to have a sense of responsibility if they don't like certain business practices. I'd like to see churches marry gays, whether forced or not, but it just isn't worth it.


 
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This is awful.

That's probably a secondary reason they did this. They see marriage as a union between man and woman...and God.


 
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Can't exactly run around calling itself the land of the free when it doesn't combat discrimination.
Can't do it if it's forcing people to perform services they don't want to perform, either.


 
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Freedom is for the freedom loving.
Great, all we need to do know is find some freedom-loving people willing to take away other people's freedoms because they don't deserve them. . .


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Can't exactly run around calling itself the land of the free when it doesn't combat discrimination.
Can't do it if it's forcing people to perform services they don't want to perform, either.
Freedom is for the freedom loving.
>goes to talk about FREDOOM
>says before hand would like to see government restrict freedom of churches

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Government should get out of marriage period

Government should work to protect their citizens from blatant discrimination.

If that means they have to give out marriage licenses to couples a church won't wed, or to the non religious, so fucking be it.
Discrimination is being beaten up and called a faggot. A church refusing to perform a service for you is a non-issue when it comes to discrimination.

When that service, from religious churches or not, directly impacts government services on you (Tax returns, ability to adopt a child, spousal rights) - it can be classified as discrimination. You are purposefully exempting a group from the ability to get the license - and therefore, hindering them in all aspects stemming from that license.
Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 01:49:44 PM by Icy


 
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When that service, from religious churches or not, directly impacts government services on you (Tax returns, ability to adopt a child, spousal rights) - it can be classified as discrimination.
Oh yeah, I completely agree with that. I agree with a State-recognised form of "marriage" which confers all the benefits, but when it comes to spiritual/religious/ceremonial 'consecrations' of marriage then it ought not be coerced.


 
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When that service, from religious churches or not, directly impacts government services on you (Tax returns, ability to adopt a child, spousal rights) - it can be classified as discrimination.
Oh yeah, I completely agree with that. I agree with a State-recognised form of "marriage" which confers all the benefits, but when it comes to spiritual/religious/ceremonial 'consecrations' of marriage then it ought not be coerced.

I'm not aware on laws in all fifty states, but I do believe some, if not many of the states with marriage equality, have exemptions for religious affiliations to not perform if necessary, while still allowing denominations to perform the marriages if they wish.

Instead of just doing that, which is extremely reasonable... let's just go off the edge.
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have exemptions for religious affiliations to not perform if necessary, while still allowing denominations to perform the marriages if they wish.
Wait, does whatever's in the article go further than that?

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No, I didn't read it.

EDIT: Yes it does, and it's fucking retarded.


 
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have exemptions for religious affiliations to not perform if necessary, while still allowing denominations to perform the marriages if they wish.
Wait, does whatever's in the article go further than that?

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No, I didn't read it.

EDIT: Yes it does, and it's fucking retarded.

That's Oklahoma for you.


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What if someone is atheist? Or of a religion that is not available?

In the article, it says the couple will just have a "Common-Law Marriage", which isn't observed as a full "legal and official" marriage by the State and Church.


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