Quote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:29:55 PMQuote from: Luciana on December 05, 2015, 07:29:24 PMIsn't this guy like super pro gun anarchist? I'm not sure it's really worth it to present my side of things if that's the case.Ad hominem.No I'm honestly just curious. That's what I heard. Some people have said it's really hard to argue these things with him, especially if he shoots down the exact definition of things. I'm too tired and sad (dog dying) to personally attack people.
Quote from: Luciana on December 05, 2015, 07:29:24 PMIsn't this guy like super pro gun anarchist? I'm not sure it's really worth it to present my side of things if that's the case.Ad hominem.
Isn't this guy like super pro gun anarchist? I'm not sure it's really worth it to present my side of things if that's the case.
Quote from: Luciana on December 05, 2015, 07:30:55 PMdog dyingOh my god. Peace to your dog.
dog dying
Quote from: Luciana on December 05, 2015, 07:30:55 PM (dog dying) Oh shit man. My condolences. I wasn't in my right mind for a week after my dog died. Best wishes to you.
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I see, well, my mistake, sorry.
Quote from: Cindo on December 05, 2015, 07:27:12 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:26:01 PMQuote from: Cindo on December 05, 2015, 07:23:28 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:21:17 PMQuote from: Cindo on December 05, 2015, 07:19:06 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:17:31 PMGuns really shouldn't be banned, and this is coming from someone in a place where they are. If you're going to commit a crime (murder, for example), you're going to commit a crime, gun or not. Seriously, attack the person, not the weapon.But as I said on the last page, a lot harder to kill a bunch of cunts with a sword.Think the Sandy Hook Massacre would've gone down the same with if that dickfuck had come charging up to the schoolhouse with a scottish claymore?He could have used a bomb - they're banned, aren't they?And explosives also happen to be very easily made with rudimentary materialsBut it's not like he could've come to the school with military grade C4. Home-made plastic explosives are usually pretty shit.You could always put more effort into making a better bomb.Also, guns are still quite easily obtainable in places where they are banned, if you are using them for criminal purposes.Lmao, really now?Because 30 grand is easily obtainable, eh?The boys behind the Columbine massacre planted pipe bombs in the school, and had they succeeded in detonating, most people in the cafeteria at the time would have been killed.
Quote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:26:01 PMQuote from: Cindo on December 05, 2015, 07:23:28 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:21:17 PMQuote from: Cindo on December 05, 2015, 07:19:06 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:17:31 PMGuns really shouldn't be banned, and this is coming from someone in a place where they are. If you're going to commit a crime (murder, for example), you're going to commit a crime, gun or not. Seriously, attack the person, not the weapon.But as I said on the last page, a lot harder to kill a bunch of cunts with a sword.Think the Sandy Hook Massacre would've gone down the same with if that dickfuck had come charging up to the schoolhouse with a scottish claymore?He could have used a bomb - they're banned, aren't they?And explosives also happen to be very easily made with rudimentary materialsBut it's not like he could've come to the school with military grade C4. Home-made plastic explosives are usually pretty shit.You could always put more effort into making a better bomb.Also, guns are still quite easily obtainable in places where they are banned, if you are using them for criminal purposes.Lmao, really now?Because 30 grand is easily obtainable, eh?
Quote from: Cindo on December 05, 2015, 07:23:28 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:21:17 PMQuote from: Cindo on December 05, 2015, 07:19:06 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:17:31 PMGuns really shouldn't be banned, and this is coming from someone in a place where they are. If you're going to commit a crime (murder, for example), you're going to commit a crime, gun or not. Seriously, attack the person, not the weapon.But as I said on the last page, a lot harder to kill a bunch of cunts with a sword.Think the Sandy Hook Massacre would've gone down the same with if that dickfuck had come charging up to the schoolhouse with a scottish claymore?He could have used a bomb - they're banned, aren't they?And explosives also happen to be very easily made with rudimentary materialsBut it's not like he could've come to the school with military grade C4. Home-made plastic explosives are usually pretty shit.You could always put more effort into making a better bomb.Also, guns are still quite easily obtainable in places where they are banned, if you are using them for criminal purposes.
Quote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:21:17 PMQuote from: Cindo on December 05, 2015, 07:19:06 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:17:31 PMGuns really shouldn't be banned, and this is coming from someone in a place where they are. If you're going to commit a crime (murder, for example), you're going to commit a crime, gun or not. Seriously, attack the person, not the weapon.But as I said on the last page, a lot harder to kill a bunch of cunts with a sword.Think the Sandy Hook Massacre would've gone down the same with if that dickfuck had come charging up to the schoolhouse with a scottish claymore?He could have used a bomb - they're banned, aren't they?And explosives also happen to be very easily made with rudimentary materialsBut it's not like he could've come to the school with military grade C4. Home-made plastic explosives are usually pretty shit.
Quote from: Cindo on December 05, 2015, 07:19:06 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:17:31 PMGuns really shouldn't be banned, and this is coming from someone in a place where they are. If you're going to commit a crime (murder, for example), you're going to commit a crime, gun or not. Seriously, attack the person, not the weapon.But as I said on the last page, a lot harder to kill a bunch of cunts with a sword.Think the Sandy Hook Massacre would've gone down the same with if that dickfuck had come charging up to the schoolhouse with a scottish claymore?He could have used a bomb - they're banned, aren't they?
Quote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 07:17:31 PMGuns really shouldn't be banned, and this is coming from someone in a place where they are. If you're going to commit a crime (murder, for example), you're going to commit a crime, gun or not. Seriously, attack the person, not the weapon.But as I said on the last page, a lot harder to kill a bunch of cunts with a sword.Think the Sandy Hook Massacre would've gone down the same with if that dickfuck had come charging up to the schoolhouse with a scottish claymore?
Guns really shouldn't be banned, and this is coming from someone in a place where they are. If you're going to commit a crime (murder, for example), you're going to commit a crime, gun or not. Seriously, attack the person, not the weapon.
Spoiler]I tend to think definitions themselves have little value and should be avoided in an argument if it can be helped. They are malleable. There is no central authority on what exactly is the proper meaning of any word. Valuable in some contexts, but I think one should balance consensus and popular usage with contextual understanding. Dangerous things, really, unless both parties can come to an agreement on what a word's definition is.I'm a voluntarist, which necessarily entails an anarchist position. I don't honestly know if an anarchist society would be "better" by any given metric than our current situation. I am adamant, however, that all uses of aggressive force and coercion are illegitimate. You do not have the right to force something on another human being any more than they have the right to force their will on you. I come to this stance because I take an objective position on morality, but I am not a utilitarian like most objective moralists here. I don't believe the end justifies the means at all. The means are a part of the end. Most people here being utilitarians, I tend not to agree with anybody most of the time. We might agree on small things and some solutions to minor problems, but my worldview is generally incompatible with those of most other people. I generally don't concede on questions of right and wrong because I tend not to agree with anyone else's definition of right and wrong in the first place. It can be frustrating, but I like this board enough to stay.
Quote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 06:06:55 PMAll guns kill you just as dead.That sounds like some Fate/Stay Night writing
All guns kill you just as dead.
Quote from: Luciana on December 05, 2015, 06:24:49 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on December 05, 2015, 06:06:55 PMAll guns kill you just as dead.That sounds like some Fate/Stay Night writing You mean a high schoolers translation of F/SN writing.
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I love the comparison between the US and Europe as examples for/against guns It's as if people don't understand how wildly different the two cultures are. Legalising private-owned firearms in, say, britain would likely be as difficult as banning them in the US. There's very few people that want them (Though you can actually get them if you have reason like farms but regulated as fuck), so it's easy to not have them. But it's not really comparable to a country where a good chunk of the populace wants them around.
Oh look, I was right.
