http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/07/30/plants-send-out-stress-signals-just-like-animals-scientists-find/

basically the neurotransmitter compound gamma-aminobutyric acid is present in both plants and animals n shit.

What the hell is there left to eat besides pussy?

does a plant suffer? not in a traditional sense

There you go.

Quote from: Jocephalopod on July 31, 2015, 09:48:40 PM

does a plant suffer? not in a traditional sense

There you go.

you are morally superior to a Venus Flytrap

plants have systems similar to animals in order to stay alive.

They really don't, though. They share a common chemical with animals and use it in a similar capacity, which is not at all uncommon. Saying they have similar systems is like claiming a unicycle is similar to a Lamborghini because they roll on wheels.

Quote from: Jocephalopod on July 31, 2015, 09:48:40 PM

plants have systems similar to animals in order to stay alive.

They really don't, though. They share a common chemical with animals and use it in a similar capacity, which is not at all uncommon. Saying they have similar systems is like claiming a unicycle is similar to a Lamborghini because they roll on wheels.

that's what i'm trying to imply.

Quote from: Jocephalopod on July 31, 2015, 09:48:40 PM

does a plant suffer? not in a traditional sense

There you go.

^

First four words of the article itself nullify any notions of eating plants being unethical in any rational sense.

Quote from: Pendulate on July 31, 2015, 09:56:31 PM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on July 31, 2015, 09:48:40 PM

does a plant suffer? not in a traditional sense

There you go.

^

First four words of the article itself nullify any notions of eating plants being unethical in any rational sense.

Bullshit, just because it's a pain you or I don't understand doesn't mean it's a pain to dismiss. Vegans and vegetarians are equally immoral.

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2015, 12:17:05 AM

Quote from: Pendulate on July 31, 2015, 09:56:31 PM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on July 31, 2015, 09:48:40 PM

does a plant suffer? not in a traditional sense

There you go.

^

First four words of the article itself nullify any notions of eating plants being unethical in any rational sense.

Something alive is now dead and being used for the purpose of your continued existence. There you have it. Maybe plants don't feel pain.

But that doesn't negate the simplicity of extinguishing something that was alive for the purpose of keeping you alive. It's still something lost, something taken, in order to retain something else.

That's of no moral importance, though.

Something alive is now dead and being used for the purpose of your continued existence. There you have it. Maybe plants don't feel pain.

But that doesn't negate the simplicity of extinguishing something that was alive for the purpose of keeping you alive. It's still something lost, something taken, in order to retain something else.

Doesn't matter at all. It has to suffer and feel pain for it to matter. It HAS to.

You've probably seen me espouse my belief that all value is derived from our sensate experience, and our capacity to suffer. Just because plants die doesn't mean they're suffering--and if they're not suffering, there's no real issue. There's no negative sensation being endured.

Quote from: Pendulate on July 31, 2015, 10:02:21 PM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on July 31, 2015, 09:58:44 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on July 31, 2015, 09:56:31 PM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on July 31, 2015, 09:48:40 PM

does a plant suffer? not in a traditional sense

There you go.

you are morally superior to a Venus Flytrap

Good thing I don't care about being morally superior, then.

Then your reasoning for your veganism is...

Just being ethical. Like, he doesn't care if he's superior to someone else or not--he just wants to be ethical. It's not a competition to him.

I think he's a bullshit liar, but whatever. People have this innate desire of being better than one another, and though he may like to be the most Spockian vegan ever, and he may claim to be, I don't think he's capable of that.

I, for one, embrace my desire to be better than the other guy--but at the same time, I recognize that I'm just being petty.

Quote from: Sandtrap on August 01, 2015, 02:23:51 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2015, 12:17:05 AM

Quote from: Pendulate on July 31, 2015, 09:56:31 PM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on July 31, 2015, 09:48:40 PM

does a plant suffer? not in a traditional sense

There you go.

^

First four words of the article itself nullify any notions of eating plants being unethical in any rational sense.

Something alive is now dead and being used for the purpose of your continued existence. There you have it. Maybe plants don't feel pain.

But that doesn't negate the simplicity of extinguishing something that was alive for the purpose of keeping you alive. It's still something lost, something taken, in order to retain something else.

That's of no moral importance, though.

Not at all you say? Something going from alive to not alive? We don't know to what extent plants really operate on yet, but they have networks of communication, proven simplistic memory capabilities, reaction to stimuli and other senses. Regardless of whether or not we know how much they can feel, it doesn't change that they're alive.

Anything alive has something to lose by default. Its own life. I'm not one to advocate for speeding up the process of that loss on anything if I can avoid it. But, question.

What's considered morally important here?