President Barack Obama announced his proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.“Put simply, what I’d like to do is to see the first two years of community college free for everyone who’s willing to work for it,” Obama said in a video filmed Wednesday aboard Air Force One and posted to Facebook. He made the announcement as part of his pre-State of the Union tour and will formally lay out the proposal Friday in a speech in Tennessee.The White House estimated it would save the average community college student $3,800 annually and said it could benefit millions.
This could be a really, really terrible idea.
All comes to implementation and what the proposal actually says tomorrow.
Quote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 08, 2015, 05:44:27 PMAll comes to implementation and what the proposal actually says tomorrow.Of course, but it just seems like a more mature "think of the children" style of political expediency. I'd oppose this on any grounds unless the administration can provide solid evidence that I) this won't substantially increase credential inflation, II) the community colleges have the infrastructure and expertise to handle the influx and III) the community colleges don't suffer financially because of it.
isnt credential inflation already happening? there are more people going to college than ever before. bachelor's degrees mean less and less by the year. im not sure free community college education for 2 years would really be all that bad. though, i think subsidies for free/cheap tech school education might be a better way to go. idk. i dont know any stats. these are just observations ive drawn from incidental knowledge.
Quote from: Azumarill on January 08, 2015, 06:05:10 PMisnt credential inflation already happening? there are more people going to college than ever before. bachelor's degrees mean less and less by the year. im not sure free community college education for 2 years would really be all that bad. though, i think subsidies for free/cheap tech school education might be a better way to go. idk. i dont know any stats. these are just observations ive drawn from incidental knowledge.Point being we should do absolutely nothing which could make it worst.
i can see where you're coming from. we have a lot of problems with our existing educational infrastructure which should probably take priority over things like this, certainly.
For certain degrees, either remove interest rates period or forgive the loan.
By 'good grades', I hope he means having a 3.25 GPA or higher.
Quote from: Naru (っ◕‿◕)っ on January 08, 2015, 07:17:03 PMBy 'good grades', I hope he means having a 3.25 GPA or higher.wouldnt a 3.0 be reasonable? that's a B average
Quote from: Azumarill on January 08, 2015, 07:24:25 PMQuote from: Naru (っ◕‿◕)っ on January 08, 2015, 07:17:03 PMBy 'good grades', I hope he means having a 3.25 GPA or higher.wouldnt a 3.0 be reasonable? that's a B averageAll B's. At least put some effort in an A and you can get some free money. 3 seems too low.
Oh great more things I have to pay for!!!
Quote from: PSU on January 08, 2015, 07:48:04 PMOh great more things I have to pay for!!!
Quote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 08, 2015, 07:51:41 PMQuote from: PSU on January 08, 2015, 07:48:04 PMOh great more things I have to pay for!!!'Says the child who doesn't pay taxes yet.
low lifes
Quote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 08, 2015, 07:51:41 PMQuote from: PSU on January 08, 2015, 07:48:04 PMOh great more things I have to pay for!!!'Says the child who doesn't pay taxes yet. Hey, if you want 50% of your hard earned money going towards low lifes, go ahead. But me, I want most of my money. At least 90%.
Quote from: PSU on January 08, 2015, 08:20:39 PMQuote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 08, 2015, 07:51:41 PMQuote from: PSU on January 08, 2015, 07:48:04 PMOh great more things I have to pay for!!!'Says the child who doesn't pay taxes yet. Hey, if you want 50% of your hard earned money going towards low lifes, go ahead. But me, I want most of my money. At least 90%.how can you say that in good faith? that's a horrible way of thinking about taxes. you think people who benefit from taxes are all low lives? you use that tax money just as much as anyone else in this country. that's a distinctly elitist and snobbish stance.
Quote from: Azumarill on January 08, 2015, 08:40:42 PMQuote from: PSU on January 08, 2015, 08:20:39 PMQuote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 08, 2015, 07:51:41 PMQuote from: PSU on January 08, 2015, 07:48:04 PMOh great more things I have to pay for!!!'Says the child who doesn't pay taxes yet. Hey, if you want 50% of your hard earned money going towards low lifes, go ahead. But me, I want most of my money. At least 90%.how can you say that in good faith? that's a horrible way of thinking about taxes. you think people who benefit from taxes are all low lives? you use that tax money just as much as anyone else in this country. that's a distinctly elitist and snobbish stance.Obviously not all are low lifes.But if you have lived where I have lived, been to unemployment lines and welfare centers and you realize that 90% of people relying on government assistance (under 65) are NOT working to better themselves. Free college? Thats a great idea in theory. But when it takes away from my money, and takes food out of my children's mouths, theres a problem. I already pay entirely too much for taxes.
Quote from: PSU on January 08, 2015, 09:06:32 PMQuote from: Azumarill on January 08, 2015, 08:40:42 PMQuote from: PSU on January 08, 2015, 08:20:39 PMQuote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 08, 2015, 07:51:41 PMQuote from: PSU on January 08, 2015, 07:48:04 PMOh great more things I have to pay for!!!'Says the child who doesn't pay taxes yet. Hey, if you want 50% of your hard earned money going towards low lifes, go ahead. But me, I want most of my money. At least 90%.how can you say that in good faith? that's a horrible way of thinking about taxes. you think people who benefit from taxes are all low lives? you use that tax money just as much as anyone else in this country. that's a distinctly elitist and snobbish stance.Obviously not all are low lifes.But if you have lived where I have lived, been to unemployment lines and welfare centers and you realize that 90% of people relying on government assistance (under 65) are NOT working to better themselves. Free college? Thats a great idea in theory. But when it takes away from my money, and takes food out of my children's mouths, theres a problem. I already pay entirely too much for taxes.Considering you just spent 7k on baseball tickets, I doubt your children are losing food.
My biggest gripe is that this move is another step towards making college essential education and ruining the value of a diploma.