Quote from: Yutaka on November 19, 2014, 03:39:52 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 19, 2014, 03:36:35 PM

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You just wait until the mexican start evolving into titans, then not even a 200ft tall concrete wall will save you from oranges.

Add mustaches and its all over mate.

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Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:30:52 PM

I see you've given up on the whole wall argument. Good, because it's preposterous

Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:30:52 PM

Did you not read the part of the government making empty promises about reform?

Great. That doesn't mean we abandon attempts at it for silly solutions, which is ALL that you have proposed in this thread. "Let's build a wall and monitoring cameras!"

Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:30:52 PM

LOL, do you even understand the concept of E.O? They're not some "get out of jail for free' card that allows the president to do whatever they want. E.Os are foremost subjected to judicial review and can be struck down. Secondly, an executive order must have support in the Constitution, either in a clause granting the President specific power, or by a delegation of power by Congress to the President

I'm well aware of how an executive works, thanks for sharing. Care to add anything new, or are we just going to spout out facts to look intelligent?

Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:30:52 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2700946/From-bribing-drug-cartels-immigration-officials-paying-hotels-train-rides-Coyote-smugglers-reveal-costs-involved-smuggling-child-migrants-Central-America-U-S.html
$4-$10K to be smuggled. Yeah, it's that expensive

A study for the National Foundation for American Policy estimated that to hire someone on an H-1B visa, a U.S. employer has to pay about $2,500 in legal fees; a $1,500 training fee; a $1,000 “premium processing” fee; a $500 antifraud fee; a $190 immigration service fee; around $125 in additional incidental costs; and a $100 visa fee. That totals almost $6,000. Complicated immigration cases can cost eligible applicants $10,000 or more in legal fees alone. Meanwhile, even unauthorized immigrants from Central America pay between $7,000 and $10,000 in smuggling fees to get across the border, according to Alex Nowrasteh at the Competitive Enterprise Institute—often more than once, because they get caught, thrown out, and try to return.

It's costly either way. One, you pay 6-10k, and have to wait five years with no guarantee you'll even get in and have to reapply. Otherwise, you pay 7-10k to avoid the broken system and risk being sent back to do it again.

Both are costly. But hey....

We could just fix the damn system to save money for everyone! Genius!

Is this not computing?

So physical devices that prevent people from crossing is "silly"? Ladies and gentlemen, the logic of a liberal! Have you ever learned about ancient Chinese history? Because if you did, you'd learn that the Qin Dynasty started the construction of the Great Wall, which helped to PREVENT invasions. Who would have fucking guessed that a wall keeps people out?! It's mind blowing!

If you're well aware of how executive orders work, then you'd realize there's NO Constitutional basis to pass this law and it goes beyond the scope pf the duty of the executive by enforcing laws. The purpose of E.Os is to help this branch better enforce laws

Hire somebody? Training costs? You're seriously going to change the tables here, huh? This is discussing the cost of a person wanting to immigrate alone. gg no re

Do you even realize that about 99% of the budget for immigration services operates on the costs of these fees? Decrease the cost then you will have to raise taxes or still ahve to redistribute money from the budget. Think logically for once

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 04:54:11 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 04:49:39 PM

Have you ever learned about ancient Chinese history? Because if you did, you'd learn that the Qin Dynasty started the construction of the Great Wall,

Even you must be even basically aware of the sheer fucking stupidity of comparing the Qin Dynasty's construction of the Wall to America's situation/capacity.

I've given up hope that he'll see the logic

Why are you saying this about yourself? You must have low self-esteem

Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 04:56:54 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 04:54:11 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 04:49:39 PM

Have you ever learned about ancient Chinese history? Because if you did, you'd learn that the Qin Dynasty started the construction of the Great Wall,

Even you must be even basically aware of the sheer fucking stupidity of comparing the Qin Dynasty's construction of the Wall to America's situation/capacity.

The short-lived Qin and Han Dynasties faced serious threats from northern nomadic tribes, including the Xiongnu. So in aspects of being flooded with foreigners, there exists similarities

Some mexican cleaning lady =/= the horde of genghis khan.

1. Genghis was Mongolian, not Xiongnu/Hun. That was Atilla
2. 10-15 million illegals are present in America

If that number isn't a big of a deal, then there's a issue on how you see things

If that number isn't a big of a deal, then there's a issue on how you see things

Yes, but we're debating the economic impact and propensity of CONTEMPORARY policy to produce good outcomes.

We aren't an ancient civilisation trying to defend ourselves against invaders who'll kill our men and rape our women.

Just thought of an analogy:

Citizenship is your PC game.  Border patrol, visas, and the immigration process are like DRM.

Coyotes are just like torrents!  And illegal immigrants are the leechers (who then turn into seeders once they are employed as farmers).

The system isn't enforced.

I've already demonstrated how Obama has been one of the most nativist peacetime presidents.

Now, you can throw around increasing numbers of illegal immigrants and whatnot (which isn't the fault of Obama), but it doesn't prove the system isn't enforced.

It proves the system is inadequate. Nobody here is arguing we should give immigrants free reign to come and go as they fucking please, we just realise that building a wall is smearing-shit-on-the-wall insane.

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Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 04:54:11 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 04:49:39 PM

Have you ever learned about ancient Chinese history? Because if you did, you'd learn that the Qin Dynasty started the construction of the Great Wall,

Even you must be even basically aware of the sheer fucking stupidity of comparing the Qin Dynasty's construction of the Wall to America's situation/capacity.

I've given up hope that he'll see the logic

Why are you saying this about yourself? You must have low self-esteem

Kinder, in case you haven't actually read the responses of this very lengthy thread, no one has agreed with your opinion or point of view on the subject, because it's wrong in the scope of things.

It's well known the system is broken, and it's time to fix it. Not simply pretend the current laws and policy are fine and that simply increasing border control (Including building a fucking wall) will not solve the problem.

Because everybody here diasagrees with my opinion=/=I'm wrong, you're right

This forum is a beacon for liberalism so it's no wonder people will be hateful to an opinion that's not shared. Just because everybody else is stealing or committing vandalism, it doesn't make it right and legal

The system isn't enforced. If you read my early posts, you'd see I stated that. Talk about me not reading responses? You just spout your blinded liberal concepts

You are aware you aren't the only member who swings to the right?

You are aware you aren't the only member who swings to the right?

I'd like to point out that I'm more fucking right-wing than Kinder.

Quote from: Naja on November 19, 2014, 05:06:28 PM

You are aware you aren't the only member who swings to the right?

I'd like to point out that I'm more fucking right-wing than Kinder.

And do we oppress your political opinions? Are we a liberal beacon?

Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 05:02:35 PM

Because everybody here diasagrees with my opinion=/=I'm wrong, you're right

No, because intelligent people like Meta and Psy disagree with you.

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The system isn't enforced. If you read my early posts, you'd see I stated that. Talk about me not reading responses?

Because it's a BROKEN system. Broken. Beyond repair. Needs to be replaced with something better that will actually help address the problem and make it easier for people to come LEGALLY.

Everyone has told you this. But your solution is "Let's act like Ancient China and build a fucking wall". That is about as great a solution as people saying "Let's just fucking nuke the Middle East"

Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 05:02:35 PM

You just spout your blinded liberal concepts

And you continue to fling liberal around like it's an insult.

Ever hear of this nifty thing called opinions? You can screech your "HUR MUH SUPERUR LIBTARD" opinions all you want, but they are not nor will they ever be fact. Intelligent people such as Rand Paul who have actual university disagrees disagree with Meta, you, and Psy so that must mean you all are wrong according to your logic

It's not broken. If it was actually enforced then there wouldn't be a damn fucking issue right now. Can you get that through your fucking skull that's thicker than all of Camnator's booty threads combined?

So again. because some people say something, that means I'm rong? Fucking retarded logic right there. If you were to be discussing this on a conservative site then you would be wrong, going again by your logic

Liberal is an insult, seeing liberals are ruining this county

Quote from: Naja on November 19, 2014, 05:06:28 PM

You are aware you aren't the only member who swings to the right?

I'd like to point out that I'm more fucking right-wing than Kinder.

but not the crazy way.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 05:08:53 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 05:07:25 PM

More people are being deported because more are coming here illegally, as I pointed out twice earlier

Again, there's no mathematical necessity for numbers of illegal immigrants to correlate with deportation. That only exists within the current shitty paradigm.

>trying to put off the blunt truth

I'm not concerned with what's blunt or not, to be honest. I'm concerned with what makes sense mathematically.

I'm not denying a correlation can exist, I'm just saying a correlation doesn't need to exist and could be got rid of.