Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:30:20 PMQuote from: IcyWind on November 19, 2014, 02:28:18 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:25:30 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:19:34 PMDemocrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectivelyAnd yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.And yet illegal immigration jumps for third year in a row under ObamaYes, please. Let us turn away families and children attempting to escape huge drug wars in Central America with next to nothing. A great nation like America should not try and help them.Yes, please let's tell families and children attempting who are waiting in line in a legal manner to "go fuck yourselves" because we now have to deal with people who couldn't waitYes please, let's tell American families that they can't get a job now because 10-15 million people deserve far more than them, especially when homelessness and unemployment (over 10%) are out of fucking control. Let's totally add more economic devestation1) Tell that to the people running from cartel death squads2) "Dey took er jabs" was always a bs excuse.
Quote from: IcyWind on November 19, 2014, 02:28:18 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:25:30 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:19:34 PMDemocrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectivelyAnd yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.And yet illegal immigration jumps for third year in a row under ObamaYes, please. Let us turn away families and children attempting to escape huge drug wars in Central America with next to nothing. A great nation like America should not try and help them.Yes, please let's tell families and children attempting who are waiting in line in a legal manner to "go fuck yourselves" because we now have to deal with people who couldn't waitYes please, let's tell American families that they can't get a job now because 10-15 million people deserve far more than them, especially when homelessness and unemployment (over 10%) are out of fucking control. Let's totally add more economic devestation
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:25:30 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:19:34 PMDemocrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectivelyAnd yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.And yet illegal immigration jumps for third year in a row under ObamaYes, please. Let us turn away families and children attempting to escape huge drug wars in Central America with next to nothing. A great nation like America should not try and help them.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:19:34 PMDemocrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectivelyAnd yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.And yet illegal immigration jumps for third year in a row under Obama
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:19:34 PMDemocrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectivelyAnd yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.
Democrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectively
I'm not opposed to a wall being constructed. We have them in some places but they're just fences that people can climb
How is it broken? You apply for greencard, you wait 5 years so government can monitor you, then you apply for citizenship. And the costs come absolutely nowhere near the amount these people pay to get smuggled across
2. Lol, it's not a bs excuse.
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:05:00 PM2. Lol, it's not a bs excuse. Also, unemployment is at 6pc.
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:05:00 PM2. Lol, it's not a bs excuse. Yes it is. Immigrants don't take jobs, that's such a dumb thing to say. As if the job pool is fucking fixed. Also, unemployment is at 6pc.
Are immigrants really taking REAL jobs?
Are immigrants really taking REAL jobs? They aren't being hired as accountants or customer service reps. They're picking berries and shit.
Quote from: Mad Max on November 19, 2014, 03:08:52 PMAre immigrants really taking REAL jobs? They aren't being hired as accountants or customer service reps. They're picking berries and shit.They're being hired as construction workers, lawn care workers, etcOther people aren't being hired as accountants or customer service reps. either. Not like there's an endless supply of these jobs
Illegals do take jobs
Not like there's an endless supply of these jobs
lawn care workers
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:03:40 PMI'm not opposed to a wall being constructed. We have them in some places but they're just fences that people can climbSeriously, you want us to waste money building a giant wall when we could just fucking fix the policy?This is coming from someone who hates wasteful government spending.Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:03:40 PMHow is it broken? You apply for greencard, you wait 5 years so government can monitor you, then you apply for citizenship. And the costs come absolutely nowhere near the amount these people pay to get smuggled acrossWay to oversimplify. I expect nothing less.Let's start with the fact of the extremely long line to get a green card. The fact that most illegal immigrants are the people with not enough money, or can't wait five years because of fucking war.
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:13:08 PMQuote from: Mad Max on November 19, 2014, 03:08:52 PMAre immigrants really taking REAL jobs? They aren't being hired as accountants or customer service reps. They're picking berries and shit.They're being hired as construction workers, lawn care workers, etcOther people aren't being hired as accountants or customer service reps. either. Not like there's an endless supply of these jobsThen the people in construction and lawn care should lower their costs in order to compete with illegal immigrants.
Quote from: Mad Max on November 19, 2014, 03:14:05 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:13:08 PMQuote from: Mad Max on November 19, 2014, 03:08:52 PMAre immigrants really taking REAL jobs? They aren't being hired as accountants or customer service reps. They're picking berries and shit.They're being hired as construction workers, lawn care workers, etcOther people aren't being hired as accountants or customer service reps. either. Not like there's an endless supply of these jobsThen the people in construction and lawn care should lower their costs in order to compete with illegal immigrants.The easiest way to lower costs would be to lower wages, but the federal minimum wage law prevents that.
How is it a waste? It's a fucking barrier to keep people out. It's not rocket science
Government promised long ago back in the 80s they would fix the policy. Government has said it multiples time yet here we are again, spouting something that will never happen or get fixed
Know an interesting fact? Philippines has the longest waiting time.
Yet if these illegals don't have money, how could they afford being smuggled once, twice, even three times when the costs are far more than the legal way?
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:11:42 PMIllegals do take jobsNot true, like I told Max, they boost AD. Immigrants demand goods and services facilitating economic expansion and falling unemployment. Even without such an effect, unemployment could be countenanced by proper monetary policy. Oh, and not to mention, more than half of Silicon Valley tech companies have immigrants as at least one key founder.
YouTubeThis is how well fences work people.
And yet the way to fill demand is through outsourcing.
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:18:56 PMHow is it a waste? It's a fucking barrier to keep people out. It's not rocket science Because instead of spending tens of millions on a fucking wall, you can simply fix the damn policy for cheaper? It's not fucking rocket science.Fixing a broken system is cheaper than building a damn wall.Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:18:56 PMGovernment promised long ago back in the 80s they would fix the policy. Government has said it multiples time yet here we are again, spouting something that will never happen or get fixedThat's the point of these executive orders.Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:18:56 PMKnow an interesting fact? Philippines has the longest waiting time.Good for them. We aren't the Philippines.Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 03:18:56 PM Yet if these illegals don't have money, how could they afford being smuggled once, twice, even three times when the costs are far more than the legal way?Really? You think it's that expensive?I laughed. Laughed a lot.
Building walls doesn't work, the Crows built a huge fucking ice wall and wildings still managed to get over that.
Did you not read the part of the government making empty promises about reform?
LOL, do you even understand the concept of E.O? They're not some "get out of jail for free' card that allows the president to do whatever they want. E.Os are foremost subjected to judicial review and can be struck down. Secondly, an executive order must have support in the Constitution, either in a clause granting the President specific power, or by a delegation of power by Congress to the President
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2700946/From-bribing-drug-cartels-immigration-officials-paying-hotels-train-rides-Coyote-smugglers-reveal-costs-involved-smuggling-child-migrants-Central-America-U-S.html$4-$10K to be smuggled. Yeah, it's that expensive
YouTubeYou just wait until the mexican start evolving into titans, then not even a 200ft tall concrete wall will save you from oranges.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 19, 2014, 03:36:35 PMYouTubeYou just wait until the mexican start evolving into titans, then not even a 200ft tall concrete wall will save you from oranges.Add mustaches and its all over mate.
Obama to Announce Immigration Executive Orders Thursday
