Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:30:20 PMYes, please let's tell families and children attempting who are waiting in line in a legal manner to "go fuck yourselves" because we now have to deal with people who couldn't waitIcy and I aren't arguing for that, though. We're saying we should just split the difference, and make immigration fucking simpler. Also, lol, immigrants are pretty much universally positive for the economy.
Yes, please let's tell families and children attempting who are waiting in line in a legal manner to "go fuck yourselves" because we now have to deal with people who couldn't wait
who most likely have no degrees, can't speak English, and have no special skills equals to economic positive?
Hey, immigrants are necessary for an economy, whether or not you want to accept it. They're more than willing to do some of the shittiest jobs that the typical America would scoff at.
Quote from: IcyWind on November 19, 2014, 02:34:42 PMHey, immigrants are necessary for an economy, whether or not you want to accept it. They're more than willing to do some of the shittiest jobs that the typical America would scoff at.The beauty of this is that I don't agree with you. I actually think skilled immigration is a larger factor at play. But that's just it, we don't need to agree as long as we concede immigration is beneficial. Immigrants boost nominal income, and skilled or not, that's what matters.
How is adding more people, who most likely have no degrees, can't speak English, and have no special skills equals to economic positive?
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:30:20 PMYes, please let's tell families and children attempting who are waiting in line in a legal manner to "go fuck yourselves" because we now have to deal with people who couldn't waitYes please, let's tell American families that they can't get a job now because 10-15 million people deserve far more than them, especially when homelessness and unemployment (over 10%) are out of fucking control. Let's totally add more economic devestationWhat part of "Huge drug wars" didn't get across? The mass graves part? Or the overall rampant amount of killing?The process of "legal immigration" to the United States is fucking ridiculous in the cost, length, and process - to the point where people are desperate to get here that they'll jump the border over the appalling and shitty conditions they face.Hey, immigrants are necessary for an economy, whether or not you want to accept it. They're more than willing to do some of the shittiest jobs that the typical America would scoff at.
Yes, please let's tell families and children attempting who are waiting in line in a legal manner to "go fuck yourselves" because we now have to deal with people who couldn't waitYes please, let's tell American families that they can't get a job now because 10-15 million people deserve far more than them, especially when homelessness and unemployment (over 10%) are out of fucking control. Let's totally add more economic devestation
Agree to disagree.
Yeah, not our fucking problem that other countries have issues.
or people bitching that the British government reserves jobs to British citizens or citizens of the EU.
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:35:23 PM who most likely have no degrees, can't speak English, and have no special skills equals to economic positive? I dunno. Let's ask the immigrants from 1910 who likely had no degrees, barely spoke English, and had no special skills.
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:39:02 PMYeah, not our fucking problem that other countries have issues. Factually incorrect.
we are not the government of Mexico, Columbia, etc, we are not the nanny of other people
Quote from: IcyWind on November 19, 2014, 02:39:58 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:39:02 PMYeah, not our fucking problem that other countries have issues. Factually incorrect.Factually correctWe are not the world police, we are not the government of Mexico, Columbia, etc, we are not the nanny of other people
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:41:23 PMYou know you could solve all of those problems and still have a fairly liberal immigration policy, right? We aren't defending open borders.
This only teaches illegals that coming here illegally means they will eventually be able to stay
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:42:29 PM we are not the government of Mexico, Columbia, etc, we are not the nanny of other peopleNo, but we are morally and legally obligated to act in instances of genocide.
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:47:41 PMThis only teaches illegals that coming here illegally means they will eventually be able to stayOr, on the other hand, you could liberalise the fucking immigration laws so people aren't overly-tempted to get in illegally.Just what about this aren't you getting?
Then work with the foreign government
Or, we can direct more funds to border security and adopt harsher personalities for those who break federal law
Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 02:49:02 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:47:41 PMThis only teaches illegals that coming here illegally means they will eventually be able to stayOr, on the other hand, you could liberalise the fucking immigration laws so people aren't overly-tempted to get in illegally.Just what about this aren't you getting?Or, we can direct more funds to border security and adopt harsher personalities for those who break federal law
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:53:30 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 02:49:02 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:47:41 PMThis only teaches illegals that coming here illegally means they will eventually be able to stayOr, on the other hand, you could liberalise the fucking immigration laws so people aren't overly-tempted to get in illegally.Just what about this aren't you getting?Or, we can direct more funds to border security and adopt harsher personalities for those who break federal lawIt's like debating with a brick wall.
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:53:30 PMOr, we can direct more funds to border security and adopt harsher personalities for those who break federal lawThat's ridiculous on the face of it.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 02:55:00 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:53:30 PMOr, we can direct more funds to border security and adopt harsher personalities for those who break federal lawThat's ridiculous on the face of it.1. Move funds2. Build camera and tracking systems at certain intervals 3. Hire people to watch said camera and systems4. Dispatch team when something is picked upIt's pants on the head easy
Quote from: IcyWind on November 19, 2014, 02:28:18 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:25:30 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:19:34 PMDemocrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectivelyAnd yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.And yet illegal immigration jumps for third year in a row under ObamaYes, please. Let us turn away families and children attempting to escape huge drug wars in Central America with next to nothing. A great nation like America should not try and help them.Yes, please let's tell families and children attempting who are waiting in line in a legal manner to "go fuck yourselves" because we now have to deal with people who couldn't waitYes please, let's tell American families that they can't get a job now because 10-15 million people deserve far more than them, especially when homelessness and unemployment (over 10%) are out of fucking control. Let's totally add more economic devestation
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:25:30 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:19:34 PMDemocrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectivelyAnd yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.And yet illegal immigration jumps for third year in a row under ObamaYes, please. Let us turn away families and children attempting to escape huge drug wars in Central America with next to nothing. A great nation like America should not try and help them.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:19:34 PMDemocrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectivelyAnd yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.And yet illegal immigration jumps for third year in a row under Obama
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:19:34 PMDemocrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectivelyAnd yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.
Democrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectively
It's pants on the head easy
2) "Dey took er jabs" was always a bs excuse.
Quote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:57:50 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on November 19, 2014, 02:55:00 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 19, 2014, 02:53:30 PMOr, we can direct more funds to border security and adopt harsher personalities for those who break federal lawThat's ridiculous on the face of it.1. Move funds2. Build camera and tracking systems at certain intervals 3. Hire people to watch said camera and systems4. Dispatch team when something is picked upIt's pants on the head easyWhy not just build a forty foot tall concrete wall while you're at it? Some land mines? I'm sure they'll work just as well.Simply saying "We need to up border security!" is not going to fix the damn problem. The current process to actually immigrate here is broken.
Obama to Announce Immigration Executive Orders Thursday
