Obama to Announce Immigration Executive Orders Thursday

 
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President Barack Obama will announce this week that he is shielding about 5 million undocumented immigrants from deportation and will travel to Las Vegas for an event Friday to promote it, according to sources familiar with the planning.

Senior administration officials began calling immigration reform proponents Wednesday to fill them in on plans for the rollout and the details of the proposal.

The executive actions will cover 4 million undocumented immigrants who would qualify for deferred deportations by using criteria such as longevity in the United States and family ties, according to sources briefed on the discussions. Another 1 million would receive protection through other means, two sources said.

There will be no special protections for farm workers or parents of Dreamers — two categories that groups had lobbied hard for — because there were concerns about those pieces clearing the legal bars, sources said. However, the administration officials noted in their calls, many people who fall into those categories would qualify if they have children who are U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents. Dreamers, in contrast, are undocumented immigrants who were brought to this country by their parents as minors.

Obama could announce his plans in a prime time speech Thursday, the senior administration officials told advocates, though it’s unclear that the speech will be broadcast at that time. Top aides, meanwhile, are suggesting that the president will go big.

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson confirmed Wednesday that Obama will make his announcement “in the coming days” and that the reforms the president puts forward will be “comprehensive.” Speaking at an event hosted by the New Democrat Network, a left-leaning think tank, Johnson said the president has “fairly wide latitude” to act under the law.

“He’s going to go as far as he can under the law,” Domestic Policy Council Director Cecilia Muñoz said Tuesday. Still, the administration acknowledges that there are limits to what he can do. “He’s going to be the first to say that it doesn’t fix everything that’s broken.”

Dawn Le, of the Alliance for Citizenship, offered a hint at the timing in an email that the AFL-CIO’s Jeff Hauser forwarded to reporters before asking them to “ignore” the previous note.

“We hear there will be a prime time Thursday evening announcement (to preview) and full unveiling in Vegas on Friday,” Le wrote. “Unclear whether Thursday night content will be what is ‘celebratory,’ but Friday will be where we need a lot of energy guaranteed.”

The president’s turn to executive action comes after pushing House Republicans for more than a year to take up the immigration bill passed by the Senate in June 2013. Obama had long held out hope that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) would bring the bill to the floor, but when the speaker told the president that he would not be holding a vote on it in 2014, Obama vowed in a Rose Garden speech to act on his own.
Obama had initially planned to announce executive actions on immigration at the end of the summer but in September the White House said he would put off a final decision until after Election Day, amid Democrats’ concerns that it would create another complication on the campaign trail ahead of the midterm elections.

With a nine-day trip to Asia and Australia behind him and Thanksgiving on the horizon, Obama has spent this week working out the final details of his announcement. The trip to Las Vegas brings him full circle from January 2013, when he launched a push pressuring Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform, repeating the mantra “now is the time.”

He spoke then at Del Sol High School, the same venue that local press reports say the White House has chosen for Friday’s announcement.

Republicans have been preparing to respond in large part by accusing Obama of overreach and by pointing to his repeated statements last year that he did not have the authority to act on certain pieces of immigration reform.

“If ‘Emperor Obama’ ignores the American people and announces an amnesty plan that he himself has said over and over again exceeds his Constitutional authority, he will cement his legacy of lawlessness and ruin the chances for congressional action on this issue – and many others,” Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said Wednesday.

Initial Democratic responses are more positive.

Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Wednesday that Obama’s action would put him in the company of “great” presidents, including Abraham Lincoln and Harry Truman, who both used their executive authorities to expand rights for African Americans. “I think that President Obama ought to put himself alongside these … great presidents and use [an] executive order to do something big on immigration,” he said on MSNBC.
The legality of the president’s actions, Clyburn added, is up to the courts and not Congress. “Let’s let the courts decide whether it’s constitutional. That’s not for Congress to decide, that’s why we have courts to make that decision,” he said.



 
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“If ‘Emperor Obama’ ignores the American people and announces an amnesty plan that he himself has said over and over again exceeds his Constitutional authority, he will cement his legacy of lawlessness and ruin the chances for congressional action on this issue – and many others,” Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said Wednesday.
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Even though I don't know all the details on the situation, honestly, what he's doing doesn't seem like a problem.

I mean they're already there in the first place. It's not like they're just going to pack up and leave. And 5 million is nothing as a number for the states in terms of population.


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I mean they're already there in the first place. It's not like they're just going to pack up and leave. And 5 million is nothing as a number for the states in terms of population.

Pretty much.


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Even though I don't know all the details on the situation, honestly, what he's doing doesn't seem like a problem.

I mean they're already there in the first place. It's not like they're just going to pack up and leave. And 5 million is nothing as a number for the states in terms of population.
It would also be a HUGE economic hit to those areas with a high illegal immigrant population. Suddenly 5 million people are removed from your grocery stories, shopping malls, restaurants, gas stations? Good luck with that...


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Yet if I crossed into Mexico illegally then I'd be put in prison and most likely be killed inmates

Our immigration is a HUGE joke, mostly because we never fucking enforce it. All this is, is a game of "nah nah bo-bo i stepped acrossed the line, you can't touch me" and it's bullshit. If you're here illegally then get the fuck out and wait your turn like my grandmother, aunt, and every other legal immigrant has done


 
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If you're here illegally then get the fuck out and wait your turn like my grandmother, aunt, and every other legal immigrant has done

Great policy. No problems whatsoever with this line of thinking.



 
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If you're here illegally then get the fuck out and wait your turn like my grandmother, aunt, and every other legal immigrant has done
Or we could actually improve the immigration system instead of resorting to childish "it isn't fair" rhetoric.

As if the state of Mexican prisons is any sort of reasonable comparison.


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If you're here illegally then get the fuck out and wait your turn like my grandmother, aunt, and every other legal immigrant has done

Great policy. No problems whatsoever with this line of thinking.
As I said, we don't fucking enforce the current laws. Enforce them like Reagan promised (which he didn't) then we wouldn't have this issue. We can EASILY take budget from the military and NSA and put that towards better supervision and prevention


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If you're here illegally then get the fuck out and wait your turn like my grandmother, aunt, and every other legal immigrant has done
Or we could actually improve the immigration system instead of resorting to childish "it isn't fair" rhetoric.

As if the state of Mexican prisons is any sort of reasonable comparison.
How can it be improved when it's not even enforced? Democrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectively


 
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If you're here illegally then get the fuck out and wait your turn like my grandmother, aunt, and every other legal immigrant has done

Great policy. No problems whatsoever with this line of thinking.
As I said, we don't fucking enforce the current laws.

Because the current laws are broken beyond belief and do nothing to aid the immigration process, instead making it extremely difficult, lengthy, and costly?

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We can EASILY take budget from the military and NSA and put that towards better supervision and prevention
You'll have to forgive me if I think military and intelligence operations take absolute priority over stopping some illegals coming in.


 
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Democrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectively
And yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.



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We can EASILY take budget from the military and NSA and put that towards better supervision and prevention
You'll have to forgive me if I think military and intelligence operations take absolute priority over stopping some illegals coming in.
Except we are not in a war and there is no need to have a budget that reflects that of a nation in war. Intelligence? Oh I forgot, collecting grandma's and uncle joe's personal information helps this nation


 
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Except we are not in a war
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Because military operations should be restricted to international conflicts? We absolutely are at war in any meaningful sense of the word.


 
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Because military operations should be restricted to international conflicts? We absolutely are at war in any meaningful sense of the word.

Shhhh. Congress hasn't declared war, so we clearly aren't in any sense of the word. Don't you know nothing?



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Democrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectively
And yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.
And yet illegal immigration jumps for third year in a row  under Obama

Common math shows that less immigrants means less deportation because it's bound to the number of illegal immigrants present. More illegal immigrants means more deportation


 
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Common math shows that less immigrants means less deportation because it's bound to the number of illegal immigrants present. More illegal immigrants means more deportation
That's just not true.

Restrictive immigration laws lead to more deportation. There's no mathematical necessity that deportation should correlate with the presence of illegal immigrants.



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Except we are not in a war
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Because military operations should be restricted to international conflicts? We absolutely are at war in any meaningful sense of the word.
\Because military operations don't need a $664 billion budget, especially when generals have voiced they don't need any more tanks yet the government keeps buying more


 
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Democrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectively
And yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.
And yet illegal immigration jumps for third year in a row  under Obama

Yes, please. Let us turn away families and children attempting to escape huge drug wars in Central America with next to nothing. A great nation like America should not try and help them.


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Common math shows that less immigrants means less deportation because it's bound to the number of illegal immigrants present. More illegal immigrants means more deportation
That's just not true.

Restrictive immigration laws lead to more deportation. There's no mathematical necessity that deportation should correlate with the presence of illegal immigrants.
It is true

With 100 illegals, you're going to deport about 60 of them. Under 1000 illegals, you're going to deport 600. The deportation size increases because there's more people


 
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Because military operations don't need a $664 billion budget, especially when generals have voiced they don't need any more tanks yet the government keeps buying more
Allow me to rephrase my point in a less obscure way.

Military expenditure is more important that enforcing unnecessarily restrictive immigration law, and where it can be cut, such gains should be paid into much more pressing needs.


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Democrats want to pass all these fucking laws yet the current ones are not being enforced effectively
And yet Obama has presided over one of the largest peacetime outflows of people in America's history.
And yet illegal immigration jumps for third year in a row  under Obama

Yes, please. Let us turn away families and children attempting to escape huge drug wars in Central America with next to nothing. A great nation like America should not try and help them.
Yes, please let's tell families and children attempting who are waiting in line in a legal manner to "go fuck yourselves" because we now have to deal with people who couldn't wait

Yes please, let's tell American families that they can't get a job now because 10-15 million people deserve far more than them, especially when homelessness and unemployment (over 10%) are out of fucking control. Let's totally add more economic devestation
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With 100 illegals, you're going to deport about 60 of them. Under 1000 illegals, you're going to deport 600. The deportation size increases because there's more people
Again, no.

That's only true if restrictive immigration laws are in place. There's no axiom which says 60pc of illegal immigrants will probably be deported, therefore the presence of more illegals equals more deportation. That only holds true in a paradigm where the law facilitates it.


 
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Yes, please let's tell families and children attempting who are waiting in line in a legal manner to "go fuck yourselves" because we now have to deal with people who couldn't wait
Icy and I aren't arguing for that, though.

We're saying we should just split the difference, and make immigration fucking simpler.

Also, lol, immigrants are pretty much universally positive for the economy.
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Yes, please let's tell families and children attempting who are waiting in line in a legal manner to "go fuck yourselves" because we now have to deal with people who couldn't wait

Yes please, let's tell American families that they can't get a job now because 10-15 million people deserve far more than them, especially when homelessness and unemployment (over 10%) are out of fucking control. Let's totally add more economic devestation


What part of "Huge drug wars" didn't get across? The mass graves part? Or the overall rampant amount of killing?

The process of "legal immigration" to the United States is fucking ridiculous in the cost, length, and process - to the point where people are desperate to get here that they'll jump the border over the appalling and shitty conditions they face.

Hey, immigrants are necessary for an economy, whether or not you want to accept it. They're more than willing to do some of the shittiest jobs that the typical America would scoff at.