CA budget guts middle-class aid, keeps scholarships for illegals

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Don't nuke them yet, we need the NCR.

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I can't wait to use that California high-speed rail in 2050 when its finally done

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Seriously tho, I hate Jerry Brown. Bring back Schwarzenegger.

This touches on the subject except it deals with immigrants rather than illegals in my country. Been reading up. There's a lot of fast track programs used in some of the provinces of my country for immigrants to get them up and running.

I'm not neccessarily opposed to the aid but I can't help but notice how glaringly lopsided it is. A citizen born in my country or province would never, ever get that much help or that much leway from the government. In the span of less than a year an immigrant family can easily get access to what would take a regular citizen likely a small decade or two. And we can't really say that they work any harder than the other folks in my province or that they land higher paying jobs since most of the jobs in my province are shit tier.

The worst part is that the government directs all of these funds and efforts for immigrants and more often than not that investment is hardly returned since so much of those funds are sent to poorer countries where our currency is worth more.

I can understand wanting to help your family and I can get the humanitarian bleeding hearts but it gets ridiculous when an outsider can get access to all the goods, services and perks, when somebody born here basically gets shit on and told to fuck off.

The only comment I have when it comes to illegals and support programs is that again, I get the whole "provide for your family" deal and I can understand the humanitarian bleeding hearts to a degree. But why have a law if you're not going to properly enforce it?

It's somewhat hypocritical on my part since in some cases in the past I've broken the law in my province. The difference again, is that if I was caught I sure as fuck wouldn't expect my government to back me up and bail me out. I accept the charges that come with breaking a law.

This circles back to that whole lopsided care thing which pisses me off more and more these days. It's a crock of shit that any country, mine or the US, would throw a citizen to the wolves in favor of what's basically a gamble of a person who's a complete outsider, and in some cases, turns out to be just a leech showing up to take advantage of the well meaning, but niave people providing the care and benefits.

Then again the US and Canada both have it in their histories to fuck their citizens and I guess that's not going to change any time soon.

Yeah uh, sanctuary cities is sort of a bad thing. I don't agree with how quickly/brutally the government is kicking them out, but providing a safe haven for illegals in this context and then something like this, is a no no.

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If you're receiving aid from the government you're not middle class

A lot of scholarships get its funds from state/local government, most middle class students can only afford the astronomical costs of college because of that same financial aid. Only upper class families can really afford to pay for college out of pocket.

If you're receiving aid from the government you're not middle class

If illegal aliens work chances are they have a green card and have nothing to fear as they are here legally. If have children but no paperwork they are eligible for an expedited green card application. Removing people who are going through the necessary process and admittedly exceptionally tedious paperwork have more than every right to be here, but it would be folly to assume every alien in these sanctuary havens is doing so.

hahaha

Sanctuary cities are a good thing. You know why? Because the large majority of these so called illegal aliens work, pay taxes, and have kids who have only ever known America.

But hey who cares about separating families. They're just beaners.

Yeah uh, sanctuary cities is sort of a bad thing. I don't agree with how quickly/brutally the government is kicking them out, but providing a safe haven for illegals in this context and then something like this, is a no no.

hahaha

Sanctuary cities are a good thing. You know why? Because the large majority of these so called illegal aliens work, pay taxes, and have kids who have only ever known America.

But hey who cares about separating families. They're just beaners.

If they cared about their family they'd be applying for visas/citizenship
:^)

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If you're receiving aid from the government you're not middle class

Financial aid helps them afford college. Middle class still can't pay the costs fully on their own

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If you're receiving aid from the government you're not middle class

Financial aid helps them afford college. Middle class still can't pay the costs fully on their own

That's a fucked up system.

lol how do you think im in college?

This touches on the subject except it deals with immigrants rather than illegals in my country. Been reading up. There's a lot of fast track programs used in some of the provinces of my country for immigrants to get them up and running.

I'm not neccessarily opposed to the aid but I can't help but notice how glaringly lopsided it is. A citizen born in my country or province would never, ever get that much help or that much leway from the government. In the span of less than a year an immigrant family can easily get access to what would take a regular citizen likely a small decade or two. And we can't really say that they work any harder than the other folks in my province or that they land higher paying jobs since most of the jobs in my province are shit tier.

The worst part is that the government directs all of these funds and efforts for immigrants and more often than not that investment is hardly returned since so much of those funds are sent to poorer countries where our currency is worth more.

I can understand wanting to help your family and I can get the humanitarian bleeding hearts but it gets ridiculous when an outsider can get access to all the goods, services and perks, when somebody born here basically gets shit on and told to fuck off.

The only comment I have when it comes to illegals and support programs is that again, I get the whole "provide for your family" deal and I can understand the humanitarian bleeding hearts to a degree. But why have a law if you're not going to properly enforce it?

It's somewhat hypocritical on my part since in some cases in the past I've broken the law in my province. The difference again, is that if I was caught I sure as fuck wouldn't expect my government to back me up and bail me out. I accept the charges that come with breaking a law.

This circles back to that whole lopsided care thing which pisses me off more and more these days. It's a crock of shit that any country, mine or the US, would throw a citizen to the wolves in favor of what's basically a gamble of a person who's a complete outsider, and in some cases, turns out to be just a leech showing up to take advantage of the well meaning, but niave people providing the care and benefits.

Then again the US and Canada both have it in their histories to fuck their citizens and I guess that's not going to change any time soon.

What the hell are you talking about? What services?

I don't know much about Canada but you seem to be really exaggerating the results these services have for immigrants, especially paying bail and pardoning of crimes.

Again, I don't know anything about Canada. But I'd appreciate it if you could link an article, or statistics of some kind, anything at all.

I veered off on my points. The crime laws are the same for an immigrant vs born citizen. I was talking about broken illegal immigration laws in the last part.

I'll give a rough outline. Every province has different immigration programs and benefits so I'll stick to my in general province.

If you're immigrating to my province, you have access to several categories listed here.

Spoiler

https://www.saskatchewan.ca/residents/moving-to-saskatchewan/immigrating-to-saskatchewan/saskatchewan-immigrant-nominee-program

No matter what you pick, all of them have base monetary benefits, but the difference comes in services designed to help. These services include housing and location finding, grants/loans to help start businessness and careers, and job search programs.

It's noted in this article, (couple years off) and the study it links to that while some groups of immigrants start out low, their income and earnings improve over time.

Spoiler

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/immigrant-incomes-show-wide-gaps-between-groups-1.2897816

Canada's been upping it's game in supporting immigrants and refugees over the years because of the past statistics in earning gaps between immigrants vs born.

Spoiler

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-626-x/11-626-x2013032-eng.htm

None of this I am opposed to in general but what I'm trying to say is that my province, at least, has reached a point were there are so many services designed to help immigrants and refugees that they're subtracting from born citizens and the services that are provided to help refugees aren't provided to born citizens.

If I wanted to buy or start a business or a home I'd have to do it by myself. I'd also have to navigate those markets on my own. I'd recieve very little help. Which is exactly what me and my mother did when we bought our old restaurant. We had to fight so much with the bank for the loan that we managed to get.

I know people don't like to count anecdotal evidence much, but I got to know an immigrant family that moved into the area when I was there. Within the span of one year they had a hell of a lot more than me and my mother. Better housing, brand spanking new vehicles, they were able to open up a competing restaurant, bought for the same price as ours, but they were able to refurbish it completely. For the timespan that they didn't have it, the dad worked a pretty shit tier job over at the pig mill.

I saw this happening more and more. Within a year immigrant families or just loners are easily able to outpace most average families in the area in what they gain. I'm all for helping people. But I'm not for creating a disparity.

And don't even get me started on the aboriginals. Government is pouring so much into immigrant programs and slashing others to do it and the aboriginal population is treated like absolute garbage and it's been getting worse over the years. If you lived here you'd see. If you lived here you wouldn't want to live here.

The cherry on top is that we had the possibility of getting a president that would end that nonsense.

And the DNC chose Hillary over him.

That's a fucked up system.

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This touches on the subject except it deals with immigrants rather than illegals in my country. Been reading up. There's a lot of fast track programs used in some of the provinces of my country for immigrants to get them up and running.

I'm not neccessarily opposed to the aid but I can't help but notice how glaringly lopsided it is. A citizen born in my country or province would never, ever get that much help or that much leway from the government. In the span of less than a year an immigrant family can easily get access to what would take a regular citizen likely a small decade or two. And we can't really say that they work any harder than the other folks in my province or that they land higher paying jobs since most of the jobs in my province are shit tier.

The worst part is that the government directs all of these funds and efforts for immigrants and more often than not that investment is hardly returned since so much of those funds are sent to poorer countries where our currency is worth more.

I can understand wanting to help your family and I can get the humanitarian bleeding hearts but it gets ridiculous when an outsider can get access to all the goods, services and perks, when somebody born here basically gets shit on and told to fuck off.

The only comment I have when it comes to illegals and support programs is that again, I get the whole "provide for your family" deal and I can understand the humanitarian bleeding hearts to a degree. But why have a law if you're not going to properly enforce it?

It's somewhat hypocritical on my part since in some cases in the past I've broken the law in my province. The difference again, is that if I was caught I sure as fuck wouldn't expect my government to back me up and bail me out. I accept the charges that come with breaking a law.

This circles back to that whole lopsided care thing which pisses me off more and more these days. It's a crock of shit that any country, mine or the US, would throw a citizen to the wolves in favor of what's basically a gamble of a person who's a complete outsider, and in some cases, turns out to be just a leech showing up to take advantage of the well meaning, but niave people providing the care and benefits.

Then again the US and Canada both have it in their histories to fuck their citizens and I guess that's not going to change any time soon.

What the hell are you talking about? What services?

I don't know much about Canada but you seem to be really exaggerating the results these services have for immigrants, especially paying bail and pardoning of crimes.

Again, I don't know anything about Canada. But I'd appreciate it if you could link an article, or statistics of some kind, anything at all.

I veered off on my points. The crime laws are the same for an immigrant vs born citizen. I was talking about broken illegal immigration laws in the last part.

I'll give a rough outline. Every province has different immigration programs and benefits so I'll stick to my in general province.

If you're immigrating to my province, you have access to several categories listed here.

Spoiler

https://www.saskatchewan.ca/residents/moving-to-saskatchewan/immigrating-to-saskatchewan/saskatchewan-immigrant-nominee-program

No matter what you pick, all of them have base monetary benefits, but the difference comes in services designed to help. These services include housing and location finding, grants/loans to help start businessness and careers, and job search programs.

It's noted in this article, (couple years off) and the study it links to that while some groups of immigrants start out low, their income and earnings improve over time.

Spoiler

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/immigrant-incomes-show-wide-gaps-between-groups-1.2897816

Canada's been upping it's game in supporting immigrants and refugees over the years because of the past statistics in earning gaps between immigrants vs born.

Spoiler

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-626-x/11-626-x2013032-eng.htm

None of this I am opposed to in general but what I'm trying to say is that my province, at least, has reached a point were there are so many services designed to help immigrants and refugees that they're subtracting from born citizens and the services that are provided to help refugees aren't provided to born citizens.

If I wanted to buy or start a business or a home I'd have to do it by myself. I'd also have to navigate those markets on my own. I'd recieve very little help. Which is exactly what me and my mother did when we bought our old restaurant. We had to fight so much with the bank for the loan that we managed to get.

I know people don't like to count anecdotal evidence much, but I got to know an immigrant family that moved into the area when I was there. Within the span of one year they had a hell of a lot more than me and my mother. Better housing, brand spanking new vehicles, they were able to open up a competing restaurant, bought for the same price as ours, but they were able to refurbish it completely. For the timespan that they didn't have it, the dad worked a pretty shit tier job over at the pig mill.

I saw this happening more and more. Within a year immigrant families or just loners are easily able to outpace most average families in the area in what they gain. I'm all for helping people. But I'm not for creating a disparity.

And don't even get me started on the aboriginals. Government is pouring so much into immigrant programs and slashing others to do it and the aboriginal population is treated like absolute garbage and it's been getting worse over the years. If you lived here you'd see. If you lived here you wouldn't want to live here.

I think this may have to do more with incentives for people to move to your province in a government program to "get it up to speed".

All I know is when you move to America you're on your own. And very similar to a business visa for America (where you could set up a business in one of best cities in the world and not fucking Saskatchewan), here are the minimum entry requirements:

To meet the minimum entry criteria you must:
Have $500,000 (CAD) at minimum in Net Business and Personal Assets;
Have a minimum of three years of relevant business management or entrepreneurial experience gained in the past ten years; and,
Intend to invest a minimum of $300,000 (CAD) in Regina and Saskatoon or a minimum of $200,000 (CAD) in all other Saskatchewan communities.

And here's the outline for the rest:

There is a choice of three SINP categories you can apply to. You will also have to complete the federal application forms at the same time.

International Skilled Worker Category is for skilled workers abroad who want to work and live in Saskatchewan.
Saskatchewan Experience Category is for foreign nationals who are currently living and working in Saskatchewan.
Entrepreneur Category is for entrepreneurs who plan to start a business in Saskatchewan.
Farm Category is for experienced farmers who plan to buy and operate a farm in Saskatchewan.

So if I'm a foreign national who has never worked or lived in Canada my options are to either have many hundreds of thousands of Canadian dollars to invest in your country, or to have already gone through the higher education system, graduated, and ideally have some years of experience in my respective field.

I'm not seeing anything here that says "free ride".

I did find myself an article talking about that too. Thought I posted it in there. Anyway, that deal is backfiring somewhat as well. Wealthier people from abroad supposedly aren't holding up their end of the investment so to speak. Rich people aside I never said the whole thing was freebie. But I do notice the disparity in services provided.