Quote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 02:55:40 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on September 24, 2015, 02:53:52 PMAlso, the concept of "Fuck it, if you want to do it then do it!" is fucking stupid.Um, no. It's literally the basis of morality. It's your body, and if you want to improve or destroy it in any way, that's your choice.the basis of morality is stupid, is the pointif i had it my way, no one would ever be able to make bad choicesever
Quote from: spewky bewgie on September 24, 2015, 02:53:52 PMAlso, the concept of "Fuck it, if you want to do it then do it!" is fucking stupid.Um, no. It's literally the basis of morality. It's your body, and if you want to improve or destroy it in any way, that's your choice.
Also, the concept of "Fuck it, if you want to do it then do it!" is fucking stupid.
That's evil.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 24, 2015, 02:57:19 PMQuote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 02:55:40 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on September 24, 2015, 02:53:52 PMAlso, the concept of "Fuck it, if you want to do it then do it!" is fucking stupid.Um, no. It's literally the basis of morality. It's your body, and if you want to improve or destroy it in any way, that's your choice.the basis of morality is stupid, is the pointif i had it my way, no one would ever be able to make bad choiceseverThat's evil. You have no right to make that decision for someone else, period. We all have our time on this earth, and you can't tell someone they have to change the way they're living their life if they're only hurting themselves. Again, that would be an extremely immoral thing to impose and enforce.
Quote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 02:59:54 PMThat's evil.Bad choices are evil.
Quote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 02:59:54 PMQuote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 24, 2015, 02:57:19 PMQuote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 02:55:40 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on September 24, 2015, 02:53:52 PMAlso, the concept of "Fuck it, if you want to do it then do it!" is fucking stupid.Um, no. It's literally the basis of morality. It's your body, and if you want to improve or destroy it in any way, that's your choice.the basis of morality is stupid, is the pointif i had it my way, no one would ever be able to make bad choiceseverThat's evil. You have no right to make that decision for someone else, period. We all have our time on this earth, and you can't tell someone they have to change the way they're living their life if they're only hurting themselves. Again, that would be an extremely immoral thing to impose and enforce.One could also say it's evil to allow someone to destroy their body and life, on the basis of "I can do what I want."
If you're only affecting yourself, you can't be doing anything good or bad.
It's just your emotions that are blinding you here.
Quote from: spewky bewgie on September 24, 2015, 03:01:39 PMQuote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 02:59:54 PMQuote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 24, 2015, 02:57:19 PMQuote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 02:55:40 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on September 24, 2015, 02:53:52 PMAlso, the concept of "Fuck it, if you want to do it then do it!" is fucking stupid.Um, no. It's literally the basis of morality. It's your body, and if you want to improve or destroy it in any way, that's your choice.the basis of morality is stupid, is the pointif i had it my way, no one would ever be able to make bad choiceseverThat's evil. You have no right to make that decision for someone else, period. We all have our time on this earth, and you can't tell someone they have to change the way they're living their life if they're only hurting themselves. Again, that would be an extremely immoral thing to impose and enforce.One could also say it's evil to allow someone to destroy their body and life, on the basis of "I can do what I want."One would be wrong. It's immoral to stop a consenting individual from doing anything to his own body. It's just your emotions that are blinding you here. No one has a say in what happens to your body but you.
Morality, and immorality, are both subjective. What is moral is not, for the most part, concrete.
Quote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 03:03:24 PMIf you're only affecting yourself, you can't be doing anything good or bad.i might have thought this way when i was tenQuote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 03:04:58 PMIt's just your emotions that are blinding you here.i could say the exact same thing to you
Quote from: spewky bewgie on September 24, 2015, 03:06:53 PMMorality, and immorality, are both subjective. What is moral is not, for the most part, concrete.this is wrong, though
Quote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 03:04:58 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on September 24, 2015, 03:01:39 PMQuote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 02:59:54 PMQuote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 24, 2015, 02:57:19 PMQuote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 02:55:40 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on September 24, 2015, 02:53:52 PMAlso, the concept of "Fuck it, if you want to do it then do it!" is fucking stupid.Um, no. It's literally the basis of morality. It's your body, and if you want to improve or destroy it in any way, that's your choice.the basis of morality is stupid, is the pointif i had it my way, no one would ever be able to make bad choiceseverThat's evil. You have no right to make that decision for someone else, period. We all have our time on this earth, and you can't tell someone they have to change the way they're living their life if they're only hurting themselves. Again, that would be an extremely immoral thing to impose and enforce.One could also say it's evil to allow someone to destroy their body and life, on the basis of "I can do what I want."One would be wrong. It's immoral to stop a consenting individual from doing anything to his own body. It's just your emotions that are blinding you here. No one has a say in what happens to your body but you.Morality, and immorality, are both subjective. What is moral is not, for the most part, concrete.
Consent is the root of all morality.
Quote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 03:07:50 PMConsent is the root of all morality.i never disagreed with thisthe point at which we disagree is when consent can be brokenwhich it can--if you have a 100% guaranteed net positive
Take killings for example. We all preach that killing should be wrong - but killing in war is apparently okay to some, while to others it isn't. What about killing for self defense? Is that morally acceptable, when you are still taking another life?
The breaking of consent in and of itself is what's evil.
thank you for uselessly repeating yourself instead of arguing against my point
consent can be broken if there is a 100% guaranteed chance of a net positive occurring
Quote from: spewky bewgie on September 24, 2015, 03:09:54 PMTake killings for example. We all preach that killing should be wrong - but killing in war is apparently okay to some, while to others it isn't. What about killing for self defense? Is that morally acceptable, when you are still taking another life?the fact that we can debate moral principles does not make it subjectivewe debate scientific principles ALL the fucking timei guess science is subjective now
I disagree completely.
Tell me - if a lion kills a zebra, is the lion morally right? Do any species, outside of humans, have morals to even live by?
All you did was state your position without arguing anything, so I did the same.
Quote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 03:14:40 PMI disagree completely.this is not an counter-argumentare you unable to make a some sort of counter-argument
Morality, what we consider to be moral, is entirely a human concept.
but killing in war is apparently okay to some, while to others it isn't.
because outside of our species, it does not exist.
Quote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 03:14:40 PMAll you did was state your position without arguing anything, so I did the same.the argument is in the position itselfsurprise birthday parties are non-consensual, but nobody gets all fucked about surprise birthday parties, because they tend to be a very fun and happy experience--it's a net positive
Quote from: spewky bewgie on September 24, 2015, 03:15:15 PMTell me - if a lion kills a zebra, is the lion morally right? Do any species, outside of humans, have morals to even live by?they lack the ability to reason, so obviously not
Surprise birthday parties are a light example. If someone makes it known they don't want them, but it still happens, that's definitely immoral.In that way, it's more of an implied consent.
Consent is the basis of morality.Consent is inherently valuable.Acts against others break consent.Acts against yourself don't.Stopping someone from performing an act that doesn't break consent is breaking consent.Breaking consent is immoral.
Can you test them in a scientific lab to say "Person A's morals are the correct ones?"
Quote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 03:21:58 PMSurprise birthday parties are a light example. If someone makes it known they don't want them, but it still happens, that's definitely immoral.In that way, it's more of an implied consent.Is pulling a depressed person back from the ledge just before they jump immoral?
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on September 24, 2015, 03:24:24 PMQuote from: Carsonogen on September 24, 2015, 03:21:58 PMSurprise birthday parties are a light example. If someone makes it known they don't want them, but it still happens, that's definitely immoral.In that way, it's more of an implied consent.Is pulling a depressed person back from the ledge just before they jump immoral?Of course. You have no right to stop them.
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