Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:36:03 PMOh I'm sorry, I forgot there isn't high crime and gang/cartel activity in America, especially in low-income areas where illegals typically liveI just want to check something.In the USA, how many mass graves and piles of human heads are found on a daily basis?And do classes full of children just vanish into thin air? (See: Mass graves and piles of human heads)What about chainsaw executions? Or bombings?Hmmm, because unless the deep south is actually a warzone right now I think that you can't compare high crime levels between the USA and one of the most corrupt and failed states outside of Africa.
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot there isn't high crime and gang/cartel activity in America, especially in low-income areas where illegals typically live
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:47:14 PM-snip-Quality refutation, would read again.
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Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:47:14 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 02:43:18 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:23:39 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 02:09:21 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:58:54 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:55:35 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:55:03 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:49:06 PMAny American against immigration is not an American and doesn't believe in the American Dream. There's no such thing as "illegal" immigrants. I'm going to hold off on starting an argument. Half of my family are immigrants and we have no respect for illegalsGood for you. You're not true Americans.Yeah we are. My mom's side of the family worked hard to survive and embraced the American Dream, unlike many illegals; all they care about is coming here and sending money back to their home country, my family and true immigrants want to assimilate into American culture and become an American, that's what immigration is about. If you're not going to bother to learn the language, educate yourself, stay away from crime, and spend money on American business then you have no reason to immigrateAnd "illegal" immigrants don't do this? I knew a shit ton of Mexicans with no papers who were American as fuck. Papers don't mean shit. Do criminals get in through the border? Yes. You solve that problem by making immigration easier and pardoning paperwork mistakes or status issues after 5 or 10 years. Immigrants are immigrants. Every American is an immigrant, and they're all illegal at that. Did the natives give any of you a visa? Nope. No American has the right to complain about immigration when these people are doing the same shit your ancestors did. The majority of people that go to America are in search of a better life and integrate into the country and culture. I don't give a fuck whether they're "legal" or not. Give em some fucking papers and have them pay taxes and contribute and I guarantee you they'll start sending their kids to school and college a lot more because they won't be afraid of getting deported after living there a decade. The immigration system is fucked up and needs to be fixed. Because criminals keep pouring in, and good people keep getting fucked over.No, because if they want to be American then they would have gone through the legal and correct wayLike I said, papers don't make you an American. QuoteThey do mean shit.No they don't. I'm a European citizen and I've never felt like a European nor do I wish to be one. QuoteSo the answer to solving crime is to make it easier for criminals to get through? Seriously?I never said that. I said the exact opposite.QuoteEver hear about the illegal that killed two cops like a month or two ago? You actually want that to be a common occurrence?Ever hear about the "illegal" immigrants that did something Anericans couldn't do? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/review-spare-parts-about-undocumented-science-whiz-teenagers-by-joshua-davis/2014/12/12/8da3b176-7bef-11e4-9a27-6fdbc612bff8_story.htmlQuoteLet's not forget that Reagan had a huge hand in creating the MS13 by giving amnesty to illegals; maybe if their asses were kicked out, one of the nation's most violent gangs wouldn't existThese people came from a war torn nation and the majority of the men were fighting and had blown people's heads off at close range. It's like Romania being in the EU. Terrible idea. It's not a good idea to allow just anybody in. I've already said that. QuoteImmigrants are people who come here lawfully; illegals are, you guessed it, people that come unlawfully.They're both immigrants. Go grab yourself a dictionary. QuoteSeriously going to bring that hippie liberal "all americans are illegal" bullshit?Yup. The colonials invaded and took land. You didn't apply for a visa. You didn't ask the Natives' permission. QuoteThe natives are fucking illegal by your logic, because they came here from Asia/Russia via the Bearing Strait.Except there were no humans there until they arrived. QuoteOh, and it's not like I myself came from Europe, I was born on American soil, making me an American.I don't know why you're bringing that up, because your ancestors (depending on which generation you are) didn't ask the natives for permission either. QuoteOh,Finish having an orgasm and get back to me. Quoteand Europeans also traded goods to the Natives for land.Not exactly. Treaties were made and then broken and the land was almost always taken by force eventually. QuoteBut would that mean the land taken from Natives by other Natives through war is also illegal?Seeing how they were all from the same continent, that's a different subject. That's like asking me if a King leads an army to take nearby lands from rebellious people would be illegal. It's irrelevant and a strawman at best. QuoteWould the children of the conquerors be illegal?Again, irrelevant. I'm talking about colonials invading and taking land from the natives. All the immigrants of today are doing are coming across without permission (just like European Americans) but instead of killing people and stealing land, they work the jobs European Americans are too lazy to do. QuoteOh, how about all the goods and land the Natives stole from colonists?How exactly does this have anything to do with immigration. QuoteThe immigration is fucked up, it's fucked up because the government gives incentives to illegals.Like being thrown into a federal prison and then deported and barred for life? QuoteGo into Mexico illegally and see what happens, your ass will be thrown in a Mexican prison and you'll be forgottenSo essentially we should degrade America to Mexico's standards?Seeing as how I make valid points then you take he cheap way of saying irrelevant or other B.S, it's a serious waste to argue with somebody of your statureI'll take that as a "you're right, but I'm too stubborn and set in my ignorance to accept it and instead of coming to an understanding I'm going to talk shit :^)". Absolutely smoked m9.
Quote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 02:43:18 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:23:39 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 02:09:21 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:58:54 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:55:35 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:55:03 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:49:06 PMAny American against immigration is not an American and doesn't believe in the American Dream. There's no such thing as "illegal" immigrants. I'm going to hold off on starting an argument. Half of my family are immigrants and we have no respect for illegalsGood for you. You're not true Americans.Yeah we are. My mom's side of the family worked hard to survive and embraced the American Dream, unlike many illegals; all they care about is coming here and sending money back to their home country, my family and true immigrants want to assimilate into American culture and become an American, that's what immigration is about. If you're not going to bother to learn the language, educate yourself, stay away from crime, and spend money on American business then you have no reason to immigrateAnd "illegal" immigrants don't do this? I knew a shit ton of Mexicans with no papers who were American as fuck. Papers don't mean shit. Do criminals get in through the border? Yes. You solve that problem by making immigration easier and pardoning paperwork mistakes or status issues after 5 or 10 years. Immigrants are immigrants. Every American is an immigrant, and they're all illegal at that. Did the natives give any of you a visa? Nope. No American has the right to complain about immigration when these people are doing the same shit your ancestors did. The majority of people that go to America are in search of a better life and integrate into the country and culture. I don't give a fuck whether they're "legal" or not. Give em some fucking papers and have them pay taxes and contribute and I guarantee you they'll start sending their kids to school and college a lot more because they won't be afraid of getting deported after living there a decade. The immigration system is fucked up and needs to be fixed. Because criminals keep pouring in, and good people keep getting fucked over.No, because if they want to be American then they would have gone through the legal and correct wayLike I said, papers don't make you an American. QuoteThey do mean shit.No they don't. I'm a European citizen and I've never felt like a European nor do I wish to be one. QuoteSo the answer to solving crime is to make it easier for criminals to get through? Seriously?I never said that. I said the exact opposite.QuoteEver hear about the illegal that killed two cops like a month or two ago? You actually want that to be a common occurrence?Ever hear about the "illegal" immigrants that did something Anericans couldn't do? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/review-spare-parts-about-undocumented-science-whiz-teenagers-by-joshua-davis/2014/12/12/8da3b176-7bef-11e4-9a27-6fdbc612bff8_story.htmlQuoteLet's not forget that Reagan had a huge hand in creating the MS13 by giving amnesty to illegals; maybe if their asses were kicked out, one of the nation's most violent gangs wouldn't existThese people came from a war torn nation and the majority of the men were fighting and had blown people's heads off at close range. It's like Romania being in the EU. Terrible idea. It's not a good idea to allow just anybody in. I've already said that. QuoteImmigrants are people who come here lawfully; illegals are, you guessed it, people that come unlawfully.They're both immigrants. Go grab yourself a dictionary. QuoteSeriously going to bring that hippie liberal "all americans are illegal" bullshit?Yup. The colonials invaded and took land. You didn't apply for a visa. You didn't ask the Natives' permission. QuoteThe natives are fucking illegal by your logic, because they came here from Asia/Russia via the Bearing Strait.Except there were no humans there until they arrived. QuoteOh, and it's not like I myself came from Europe, I was born on American soil, making me an American.I don't know why you're bringing that up, because your ancestors (depending on which generation you are) didn't ask the natives for permission either. QuoteOh,Finish having an orgasm and get back to me. Quoteand Europeans also traded goods to the Natives for land.Not exactly. Treaties were made and then broken and the land was almost always taken by force eventually. QuoteBut would that mean the land taken from Natives by other Natives through war is also illegal?Seeing how they were all from the same continent, that's a different subject. That's like asking me if a King leads an army to take nearby lands from rebellious people would be illegal. It's irrelevant and a strawman at best. QuoteWould the children of the conquerors be illegal?Again, irrelevant. I'm talking about colonials invading and taking land from the natives. All the immigrants of today are doing are coming across without permission (just like European Americans) but instead of killing people and stealing land, they work the jobs European Americans are too lazy to do. QuoteOh, how about all the goods and land the Natives stole from colonists?How exactly does this have anything to do with immigration. QuoteThe immigration is fucked up, it's fucked up because the government gives incentives to illegals.Like being thrown into a federal prison and then deported and barred for life? QuoteGo into Mexico illegally and see what happens, your ass will be thrown in a Mexican prison and you'll be forgottenSo essentially we should degrade America to Mexico's standards?Seeing as how I make valid points then you take he cheap way of saying irrelevant or other B.S, it's a serious waste to argue with somebody of your stature
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:23:39 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 02:09:21 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:58:54 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:55:35 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:55:03 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:49:06 PMAny American against immigration is not an American and doesn't believe in the American Dream. There's no such thing as "illegal" immigrants. I'm going to hold off on starting an argument. Half of my family are immigrants and we have no respect for illegalsGood for you. You're not true Americans.Yeah we are. My mom's side of the family worked hard to survive and embraced the American Dream, unlike many illegals; all they care about is coming here and sending money back to their home country, my family and true immigrants want to assimilate into American culture and become an American, that's what immigration is about. If you're not going to bother to learn the language, educate yourself, stay away from crime, and spend money on American business then you have no reason to immigrateAnd "illegal" immigrants don't do this? I knew a shit ton of Mexicans with no papers who were American as fuck. Papers don't mean shit. Do criminals get in through the border? Yes. You solve that problem by making immigration easier and pardoning paperwork mistakes or status issues after 5 or 10 years. Immigrants are immigrants. Every American is an immigrant, and they're all illegal at that. Did the natives give any of you a visa? Nope. No American has the right to complain about immigration when these people are doing the same shit your ancestors did. The majority of people that go to America are in search of a better life and integrate into the country and culture. I don't give a fuck whether they're "legal" or not. Give em some fucking papers and have them pay taxes and contribute and I guarantee you they'll start sending their kids to school and college a lot more because they won't be afraid of getting deported after living there a decade. The immigration system is fucked up and needs to be fixed. Because criminals keep pouring in, and good people keep getting fucked over.No, because if they want to be American then they would have gone through the legal and correct wayLike I said, papers don't make you an American. QuoteThey do mean shit.No they don't. I'm a European citizen and I've never felt like a European nor do I wish to be one. QuoteSo the answer to solving crime is to make it easier for criminals to get through? Seriously?I never said that. I said the exact opposite.QuoteEver hear about the illegal that killed two cops like a month or two ago? You actually want that to be a common occurrence?Ever hear about the "illegal" immigrants that did something Anericans couldn't do? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/review-spare-parts-about-undocumented-science-whiz-teenagers-by-joshua-davis/2014/12/12/8da3b176-7bef-11e4-9a27-6fdbc612bff8_story.htmlQuoteLet's not forget that Reagan had a huge hand in creating the MS13 by giving amnesty to illegals; maybe if their asses were kicked out, one of the nation's most violent gangs wouldn't existThese people came from a war torn nation and the majority of the men were fighting and had blown people's heads off at close range. It's like Romania being in the EU. Terrible idea. It's not a good idea to allow just anybody in. I've already said that. QuoteImmigrants are people who come here lawfully; illegals are, you guessed it, people that come unlawfully.They're both immigrants. Go grab yourself a dictionary. QuoteSeriously going to bring that hippie liberal "all americans are illegal" bullshit?Yup. The colonials invaded and took land. You didn't apply for a visa. You didn't ask the Natives' permission. QuoteThe natives are fucking illegal by your logic, because they came here from Asia/Russia via the Bearing Strait.Except there were no humans there until they arrived. QuoteOh, and it's not like I myself came from Europe, I was born on American soil, making me an American.I don't know why you're bringing that up, because your ancestors (depending on which generation you are) didn't ask the natives for permission either. QuoteOh,Finish having an orgasm and get back to me. Quoteand Europeans also traded goods to the Natives for land.Not exactly. Treaties were made and then broken and the land was almost always taken by force eventually. QuoteBut would that mean the land taken from Natives by other Natives through war is also illegal?Seeing how they were all from the same continent, that's a different subject. That's like asking me if a King leads an army to take nearby lands from rebellious people would be illegal. It's irrelevant and a strawman at best. QuoteWould the children of the conquerors be illegal?Again, irrelevant. I'm talking about colonials invading and taking land from the natives. All the immigrants of today are doing are coming across without permission (just like European Americans) but instead of killing people and stealing land, they work the jobs European Americans are too lazy to do. QuoteOh, how about all the goods and land the Natives stole from colonists?How exactly does this have anything to do with immigration. QuoteThe immigration is fucked up, it's fucked up because the government gives incentives to illegals.Like being thrown into a federal prison and then deported and barred for life? QuoteGo into Mexico illegally and see what happens, your ass will be thrown in a Mexican prison and you'll be forgottenSo essentially we should degrade America to Mexico's standards?
Quote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 02:09:21 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:58:54 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:55:35 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:55:03 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:49:06 PMAny American against immigration is not an American and doesn't believe in the American Dream. There's no such thing as "illegal" immigrants. I'm going to hold off on starting an argument. Half of my family are immigrants and we have no respect for illegalsGood for you. You're not true Americans.Yeah we are. My mom's side of the family worked hard to survive and embraced the American Dream, unlike many illegals; all they care about is coming here and sending money back to their home country, my family and true immigrants want to assimilate into American culture and become an American, that's what immigration is about. If you're not going to bother to learn the language, educate yourself, stay away from crime, and spend money on American business then you have no reason to immigrateAnd "illegal" immigrants don't do this? I knew a shit ton of Mexicans with no papers who were American as fuck. Papers don't mean shit. Do criminals get in through the border? Yes. You solve that problem by making immigration easier and pardoning paperwork mistakes or status issues after 5 or 10 years. Immigrants are immigrants. Every American is an immigrant, and they're all illegal at that. Did the natives give any of you a visa? Nope. No American has the right to complain about immigration when these people are doing the same shit your ancestors did. The majority of people that go to America are in search of a better life and integrate into the country and culture. I don't give a fuck whether they're "legal" or not. Give em some fucking papers and have them pay taxes and contribute and I guarantee you they'll start sending their kids to school and college a lot more because they won't be afraid of getting deported after living there a decade. The immigration system is fucked up and needs to be fixed. Because criminals keep pouring in, and good people keep getting fucked over.No, because if they want to be American then they would have gone through the legal and correct way
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:58:54 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:55:35 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:55:03 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:49:06 PMAny American against immigration is not an American and doesn't believe in the American Dream. There's no such thing as "illegal" immigrants. I'm going to hold off on starting an argument. Half of my family are immigrants and we have no respect for illegalsGood for you. You're not true Americans.Yeah we are. My mom's side of the family worked hard to survive and embraced the American Dream, unlike many illegals; all they care about is coming here and sending money back to their home country, my family and true immigrants want to assimilate into American culture and become an American, that's what immigration is about. If you're not going to bother to learn the language, educate yourself, stay away from crime, and spend money on American business then you have no reason to immigrateAnd "illegal" immigrants don't do this? I knew a shit ton of Mexicans with no papers who were American as fuck. Papers don't mean shit. Do criminals get in through the border? Yes. You solve that problem by making immigration easier and pardoning paperwork mistakes or status issues after 5 or 10 years. Immigrants are immigrants. Every American is an immigrant, and they're all illegal at that. Did the natives give any of you a visa? Nope. No American has the right to complain about immigration when these people are doing the same shit your ancestors did. The majority of people that go to America are in search of a better life and integrate into the country and culture. I don't give a fuck whether they're "legal" or not. Give em some fucking papers and have them pay taxes and contribute and I guarantee you they'll start sending their kids to school and college a lot more because they won't be afraid of getting deported after living there a decade. The immigration system is fucked up and needs to be fixed. Because criminals keep pouring in, and good people keep getting fucked over.
Quote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:55:35 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:55:03 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:49:06 PMAny American against immigration is not an American and doesn't believe in the American Dream. There's no such thing as "illegal" immigrants. I'm going to hold off on starting an argument. Half of my family are immigrants and we have no respect for illegalsGood for you. You're not true Americans.Yeah we are. My mom's side of the family worked hard to survive and embraced the American Dream, unlike many illegals; all they care about is coming here and sending money back to their home country, my family and true immigrants want to assimilate into American culture and become an American, that's what immigration is about. If you're not going to bother to learn the language, educate yourself, stay away from crime, and spend money on American business then you have no reason to immigrate
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:55:03 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:49:06 PMAny American against immigration is not an American and doesn't believe in the American Dream. There's no such thing as "illegal" immigrants. I'm going to hold off on starting an argument. Half of my family are immigrants and we have no respect for illegalsGood for you. You're not true Americans.
Quote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:49:06 PMAny American against immigration is not an American and doesn't believe in the American Dream. There's no such thing as "illegal" immigrants. I'm going to hold off on starting an argument. Half of my family are immigrants and we have no respect for illegals
Any American against immigration is not an American and doesn't believe in the American Dream. There's no such thing as "illegal" immigrants.
They do mean shit.
So the answer to solving crime is to make it easier for criminals to get through? Seriously?
Ever hear about the illegal that killed two cops like a month or two ago? You actually want that to be a common occurrence?
Let's not forget that Reagan had a huge hand in creating the MS13 by giving amnesty to illegals; maybe if their asses were kicked out, one of the nation's most violent gangs wouldn't exist
Immigrants are people who come here lawfully; illegals are, you guessed it, people that come unlawfully.
Seriously going to bring that hippie liberal "all americans are illegal" bullshit?
The natives are fucking illegal by your logic, because they came here from Asia/Russia via the Bearing Strait.
Oh, and it's not like I myself came from Europe, I was born on American soil, making me an American.
Oh,
and Europeans also traded goods to the Natives for land.
But would that mean the land taken from Natives by other Natives through war is also illegal?
Would the children of the conquerors be illegal?
Oh, how about all the goods and land the Natives stole from colonists?
The immigration is fucked up, it's fucked up because the government gives incentives to illegals.
Go into Mexico illegally and see what happens, your ass will be thrown in a Mexican prison and you'll be forgotten
Why does any of that matter? Crime is still crime, and it's strong in low-income areas.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 14, 2014, 02:49:23 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:47:14 PM-snip-Quality refutation, would read again.Why should I take my time in writing something out when the former response is crap refutation and down-play?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 14, 2014, 02:40:37 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:36:03 PMOh I'm sorry, I forgot there isn't high crime and gang/cartel activity in America, especially in low-income areas where illegals typically liveI just want to check something.In the USA, how many mass graves and piles of human heads are found on a daily basis?And do classes full of children just vanish into thin air? (See: Mass graves and piles of human heads)What about chainsaw executions? Or bombings?Hmmm, because unless the deep south is actually a warzone right now I think that you can't compare high crime levels between the USA and one of the most corrupt and failed states outside of Africa.Why does any of that matter? Crime is still crime, and it's strong in low-income areas. It doesn't matter how worse something else is, in both cases it's utter crap. It's like saying you'd rather live in China than North Korea but fail to realize China is still a shit hole of a country
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:36:03 PMBanning illegals from job=/=destruction of the free market.Sorry, but you don't get to have it both ways. If you want a free market, and for the government to keep their hands out of it, you don't get to also say that we should have laws about who a company should or should not be able to hire and/or service.After all, haven't you said that if a company wants to not serve gay people, that should be fine? Well, if a company wants to hire illegals, that should be fine - it's THEIR private business.Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:36:03 PMAnd SCOTUS cases can be struck down by new ones. So by your logic, DOMA shouldn't be repealed and gay marriage should be banned federally since a decision was made for it, correct?...What are you even on about?Let me know when SCOTUS takes up a case on illegal immigration and education again. Until then, the one in place is precedent and the law of the land.Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:36:03 PMOh I'm sorry, I forgot there isn't high crime and gang/cartel activity in America, especially in low-income areas where illegals typically live> Comparing violence in America to violence in Mexico and other Central American states.I'd love to see the mass graves, systematic executions, destruction of entire families, etc. Please, share them.
Banning illegals from job=/=destruction of the free market.
And SCOTUS cases can be struck down by new ones. So by your logic, DOMA shouldn't be repealed and gay marriage should be banned federally since a decision was made for it, correct?
Preventing illegals is no way shape or form the eradication of capitalism, it's the preservation of it
What am I on about? I'm on that if a case is supposedly a concrete and non-repeal-able idea, then DOMA shouldn't be deconstructed and segregation should still exist.
Where did I say there were mass executions in America? I said that crime exists in low-income areas which is conducted by gangs and cartel members. Continue to twist my words
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:50:56 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 14, 2014, 02:49:23 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:47:14 PM-snip-Quality refutation, would read again.Why should I take my time in writing something out when the former response is crap refutation and down-play?because when someone disagrees with you It's a crap argument?
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:23:39 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 02:09:21 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:58:54 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:55:35 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 01:55:03 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 14, 2014, 01:49:06 PMAny American against immigration is not an American and doesn't believe in the American Dream. There's no such thing as "illegal" immigrants. I'm going to hold off on starting an argument. Half of my family are immigrants and we have no respect for illegalsGood for you. You're not true Americans.Yeah we are. My mom's side of the family worked hard to survive and embraced the American Dream, unlike many illegals; all they care about is coming here and sending money back to their home country, my family and true immigrants want to assimilate into American culture and become an American, that's what immigration is about. If you're not going to bother to learn the language, educate yourself, stay away from crime, and spend money on American business then you have no reason to immigrateAnd "illegal" immigrants don't do this? I knew a shit ton of Mexicans with no papers who were American as fuck. Papers don't mean shit. Do criminals get in through the border? Yes. You solve that problem by making immigration easier and pardoning paperwork mistakes or status issues after 5 or 10 years. Immigrants are immigrants. Every American is an immigrant, and they're all illegal at that. Did the natives give any of you a visa? Nope. No American has the right to complain about immigration when these people are doing the same shit your ancestors did. The majority of people that go to America are in search of a better life and integrate into the country and culture. I don't give a fuck whether they're "legal" or not. Give em some fucking papers and have them pay taxes and contribute and I guarantee you they'll start sending their kids to school and college a lot more because they won't be afraid of getting deported after living there a decade. The immigration system is fucked up and needs to be fixed. Because criminals keep pouring in, and good people keep getting fucked over.No, because if they want to be American then they would have gone through the legal and correct wayLike I said, papers don't make you an American. QuoteThey do mean shit.No they don't. I'm a European citizen and I've never felt like a European nor do I wish to be one. QuoteSo the answer to solving crime is to make it easier for criminals to get through? Seriously?I never said that. I said the exact opposite.QuoteEver hear about the illegal that killed two cops like a month or two ago? You actually want that to be a common occurrence?Ever hear about the "illegal" immigrants that did something Americans couldn't do? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/review-spare-parts-about-undocumented-science-whiz-teenagers-by-joshua-davis/2014/12/12/8da3b176-7bef-11e4-9a27-6fdbc612bff8_story.htmlQuoteLet's not forget that Reagan had a huge hand in creating the MS13 by giving amnesty to illegals; maybe if their asses were kicked out, one of the nation's most violent gangs wouldn't existThese people came from a war torn nation and the majority of the men were fighting and had blown people's heads off at close range. It's like Romania being in the EU. Terrible idea. It's not a good idea to allow just anybody in. I've already said that. QuoteImmigrants are people who come here lawfully; illegals are, you guessed it, people that come unlawfully.They're both immigrants. Go grab yourself a dictionary. QuoteSeriously going to bring that hippie liberal "all americans are illegal" bullshit?Yup. The colonials invaded and took land. You didn't apply for a visa. You didn't ask the Natives' permission. QuoteThe natives are fucking illegal by your logic, because they came here from Asia/Russia via the Bearing Strait.Except there were no humans there until they arrived. QuoteOh, and it's not like I myself came from Europe, I was born on American soil, making me an American.I don't know why you're bringing that up, because your ancestors (depending on which generation you are) didn't ask the natives for permission either. QuoteOh,Finish having an orgasm and get back to me. Quoteand Europeans also traded goods to the Natives for land.Not exactly. Treaties were made and then broken and the land was almost always taken by force eventually. QuoteBut would that mean the land taken from Natives by other Natives through war is also illegal?Seeing how they were all from the same continent, that's a different subject. That's like asking me if a King leads an army to take nearby lands from rebellious people would be illegal. It's irrelevant and a strawman at best. QuoteWould the children of the conquerors be illegal?Again, irrelevant. I'm talking about colonials invading and taking land from the natives. All the immigrants of today are doing are coming across without permission (just like European Americans) but instead of killing people and stealing land, they work the jobs European Americans are too lazy to do. QuoteOh, how about all the goods and land the Natives stole from colonists?How exactly does this have anything to do with immigration. QuoteThe immigration is fucked up, it's fucked up because the government gives incentives to illegals.Like being thrown into a federal prison and then deported and barred for life? QuoteGo into Mexico illegally and see what happens, your ass will be thrown in a Mexican prison and you'll be forgottenSo essentially we should degrade America to Mexico's standards?
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:58:23 PMPreventing illegals is no way shape or form the eradication of capitalism, it's the preservation of itYou DO realize that immigrants are necessary for economic growth, correct? QuoteWhat am I on about? I'm on that if a case is supposedly a concrete and non-repeal-able idea, then DOMA shouldn't be deconstructed and segregation should still exist.Again, you make zero sense.QuoteWhere did I say there were mass executions in America? I said that crime exists in low-income areas which is conducted by gangs and cartel members. Continue to twist my wordsNo twisting. But as Psy said, if you compare violence in America to violence in Mexico, it's laughable.
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:49:58 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 14, 2014, 02:40:37 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:36:03 PMOh I'm sorry, I forgot there isn't high crime and gang/cartel activity in America, especially in low-income areas where illegals typically liveI just want to check something.In the USA, how many mass graves and piles of human heads are found on a daily basis?And do classes full of children just vanish into thin air? (See: Mass graves and piles of human heads)What about chainsaw executions? Or bombings?Hmmm, because unless the deep south is actually a warzone right now I think that you can't compare high crime levels between the USA and one of the most corrupt and failed states outside of Africa.Why does any of that matter? Crime is still crime, and it's strong in low-income areas. It doesn't matter how worse something else is, in both cases it's utter crap. It's like saying you'd rather live in China than North Korea but fail to realize China is still a shit hole of a countrySo muggings are on par with beheadings?Don't get me wrong, the ayatollah in me says there is nothing wrong with a bit of 'lop off their heads' but somehow I don't see why a bunch of gangsters saying Esé whilst taking your wallet is the same as a few hitmen sawing your mother's head off and posting it on liveleak.Your second point is pretty self defeating too, unless you intended to imply the USA is a shithole in which case it's not too incorrect.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 14, 2014, 02:55:04 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:49:58 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 14, 2014, 02:40:37 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:36:03 PMOh I'm sorry, I forgot there isn't high crime and gang/cartel activity in America, especially in low-income areas where illegals typically liveI just want to check something.In the USA, how many mass graves and piles of human heads are found on a daily basis?And do classes full of children just vanish into thin air? (See: Mass graves and piles of human heads)What about chainsaw executions? Or bombings?Hmmm, because unless the deep south is actually a warzone right now I think that you can't compare high crime levels between the USA and one of the most corrupt and failed states outside of Africa.Why does any of that matter? Crime is still crime, and it's strong in low-income areas. It doesn't matter how worse something else is, in both cases it's utter crap. It's like saying you'd rather live in China than North Korea but fail to realize China is still a shit hole of a countrySo muggings are on par with beheadings?Don't get me wrong, the ayatollah in me says there is nothing wrong with a bit of 'lop off their heads' but somehow I don't see why a bunch of gangsters saying Esé whilst taking your wallet is the same as a few hitmen sawing your mother's head off and posting it on liveleak.Your second point is pretty self defeating too, unless you intended to imply the USA is a shithole in which case it's not too incorrect.>implying only muggings happen in America. Murders, kidnappings, executions, extortion, corruption, and everything else does happen here. May not be in the same numbers as Mexico, but it still happens. If these illegals are trying to run from crime, then they should get the hell out of America because it isn't a safe haven No, I'm saying crime is still crime. You can say Mexican crime is far worse than American crime, but it doesn't defeat the fact murder is still murder, kidnapping is still kidnapping, and drug dealing is still drug dealing. If you don't want crime then either move to a different country, or actually work to become an American and refrain from living in high-crime areas
If you don't want crime then either move to a different country,
or actually work to become an American and refrain from living in high-crime areas
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 03:25:56 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 14, 2014, 02:55:04 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:49:58 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 14, 2014, 02:40:37 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 02:36:03 PMOh I'm sorry, I forgot there isn't high crime and gang/cartel activity in America, especially in low-income areas where illegals typically liveI just want to check something.In the USA, how many mass graves and piles of human heads are found on a daily basis?And do classes full of children just vanish into thin air? (See: Mass graves and piles of human heads)What about chainsaw executions? Or bombings?Hmmm, because unless the deep south is actually a warzone right now I think that you can't compare high crime levels between the USA and one of the most corrupt and failed states outside of Africa.Why does any of that matter? Crime is still crime, and it's strong in low-income areas. It doesn't matter how worse something else is, in both cases it's utter crap. It's like saying you'd rather live in China than North Korea but fail to realize China is still a shit hole of a countrySo muggings are on par with beheadings?Don't get me wrong, the ayatollah in me says there is nothing wrong with a bit of 'lop off their heads' but somehow I don't see why a bunch of gangsters saying Esé whilst taking your wallet is the same as a few hitmen sawing your mother's head off and posting it on liveleak.Your second point is pretty self defeating too, unless you intended to imply the USA is a shithole in which case it's not too incorrect.>implying only muggings happen in America. Murders, kidnappings, executions, extortion, corruption, and everything else does happen here. May not be in the same numbers as Mexico, but it still happens. If these illegals are trying to run from crime, then they should get the hell out of America because it isn't a safe haven No, I'm saying crime is still crime. You can say Mexican crime is far worse than American crime, but it doesn't defeat the fact murder is still murder, kidnapping is still kidnapping, and drug dealing is still drug dealing. If you don't want crime then either move to a different country, or actually work to become an American and refrain from living in high-crime areas>implying that I implied that>not even doing it rightNo shit crime is still crime, but mexico is comparable with Libya minus the airstrikes at this point. The cartels run Mexico, they don't run the USA. When the cartels can freely rampage through the country and behead whoever the fuck they like, it's not wonder people are fleeing the country. They aren't just border jumping because they want to steal those low paying fruit picking jobs from honest hard working americans ;-;7 but because they are bloody refugees at this point.But sure, lock em all up in jail and send them back to their country to die in the streets from unchecked tyranny. That's very american of you.Poverty is correlated with Crime, illegal immigrants don't get jobs and benefits and the same kind of financial security a legal immigrant does so is it really any wonder that crime is higher in ghettos?Quote If you don't want crime then either move to a different country,Which is what they are doing.Quoteor actually work to become an American and refrain from living in high-crime areasWhich is what they want to do, but can't because of the broken system for immigration in the USA.High crime areas = dirt cheap to live in, I'm sure they would all just love to move to Beverley hills but funnily enough, they can't afford to
Actually, illegal immigrants get more benefits than legal immigrants. My grandmother had to learn English from watching Sesame Street, yet here's some illegals that get free education and my grandmother got absolutely nothing
Well you based everything around muggings, so I'll imply what I please based on the information present at the given time
Depends on what areas in the U.S you're talking about. Cities like Detroit, Chicago, D.C, etc. are all corrupt and are in many aspects controlled by gangs. But again, they run low-income areas because of the people that live there.
And they aren't? So you're telling me none of them come here and commit crime? That none of them send much of their money back to Mexico? Because if you think that, then you don't know the situation as I do
And what's the alternative? Support them under a system that doesn't have the strength to do so? Have you even seen some American schools or infrastructure? We have bigger problems to worry about than some guy in Mexico. The world isn't a communist fairy land, the world is unfair and harsh for many people, that's how life has, is, and will be. America isn't the world's mother; why don't you have the UK ship all of these illegals to your island? If you care about them so much, you take them
If they want to do so, then come in the country as legal. Is it that fucking hard to understand?
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:08:46 PMActually, illegal immigrants get more benefits than legal immigrants. My grandmother had to learn English from watching Sesame Street, yet here's some illegals that get free education and my grandmother got absolutely nothingConsidering your Grandmother likely came here before SCOTUS ruled that education had to be provided to all immigrant children...
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Quote from: IcyWind on December 14, 2014, 04:11:00 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:08:46 PMActually, illegal immigrants get more benefits than legal immigrants. My grandmother had to learn English from watching Sesame Street, yet here's some illegals that get free education and my grandmother got absolutely nothingConsidering your Grandmother likely came here before SCOTUS ruled that education had to be provided to all immigrant children...Does it matter? She had the strict rule of no Spanish in the household, only English
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:24:47 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 14, 2014, 04:11:00 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:08:46 PMActually, illegal immigrants get more benefits than legal immigrants. My grandmother had to learn English from watching Sesame Street, yet here's some illegals that get free education and my grandmother got absolutely nothingConsidering your Grandmother likely came here before SCOTUS ruled that education had to be provided to all immigrant children...Does it matter? She had the strict rule of no Spanish in the household, only EnglishAnd how is this at all relevant to immigration policy?Oh wait, anecdotal claims aren't.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 14, 2014, 04:26:08 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:24:47 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 14, 2014, 04:11:00 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:08:46 PMActually, illegal immigrants get more benefits than legal immigrants. My grandmother had to learn English from watching Sesame Street, yet here's some illegals that get free education and my grandmother got absolutely nothingConsidering your Grandmother likely came here before SCOTUS ruled that education had to be provided to all immigrant children...Does it matter? She had the strict rule of no Spanish in the household, only EnglishAnd how is this at all relevant to immigration policy?Oh wait, anecdotal claims aren't.It's not ancedotal as this used to be a common occurrence
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:26:50 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 14, 2014, 04:26:08 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:24:47 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 14, 2014, 04:11:00 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:08:46 PMActually, illegal immigrants get more benefits than legal immigrants. My grandmother had to learn English from watching Sesame Street, yet here's some illegals that get free education and my grandmother got absolutely nothingConsidering your Grandmother likely came here before SCOTUS ruled that education had to be provided to all immigrant children...Does it matter? She had the strict rule of no Spanish in the household, only EnglishAnd how is this at all relevant to immigration policy?Oh wait, anecdotal claims aren't.It's not ancedotal as this used to be a common occurrenceOkay, but how is it relevant to modern immigration policy?Now stop me if I'm wrong, but are you actually trying to imply that the children of immigrants or children who immigrate to the country should be denied education - which is a fundamental human right.
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:24:47 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 14, 2014, 04:11:00 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:08:46 PMActually, illegal immigrants get more benefits than legal immigrants. My grandmother had to learn English from watching Sesame Street, yet here's some illegals that get free education and my grandmother got absolutely nothingConsidering your Grandmother likely came here before SCOTUS ruled that education had to be provided to all immigrant children...Does it matter? She had the strict rule of no Spanish in the household, only EnglishYes, it does matter. It's like saying we're spoiled for having cars when your great great grandfather had to ride a horse to school.Time's change, ideals on how we educate change. Just because your Grandmother did it one way does not make it the correct way.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 14, 2014, 04:29:30 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:26:50 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 14, 2014, 04:26:08 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:24:47 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 14, 2014, 04:11:00 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 14, 2014, 04:08:46 PMActually, illegal immigrants get more benefits than legal immigrants. My grandmother had to learn English from watching Sesame Street, yet here's some illegals that get free education and my grandmother got absolutely nothingConsidering your Grandmother likely came here before SCOTUS ruled that education had to be provided to all immigrant children...Does it matter? She had the strict rule of no Spanish in the household, only EnglishAnd how is this at all relevant to immigration policy?Oh wait, anecdotal claims aren't.It's not ancedotal as this used to be a common occurrenceOkay, but how is it relevant to modern immigration policy?Now stop me if I'm wrong, but are you actually trying to imply that the children of immigrants or children who immigrate to the country should be denied education - which is a fundamental human right.Mr. P, please. You know the United States is above any of that trivial United Nations bullshit. Why should we have to deal with countries who are so beneath us?
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