Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?America was founded on the principle of secularism.Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?
Quote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.
We literally have God on our currency.
Quote from: challengerX on July 15, 2015, 06:18:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864.And this justifies it because...?QuoteAnd even so, it's still not a big deal.I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country. QuoteThe U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?QuoteIt's just a quote on a building,A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs. Quoteit could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody.I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that. Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment. QuoteBut because it is this particular phrase......it matters?It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard. I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.I'm more of appealing to the whole free speech argument. I didn't say only Christian things should be allowed, I'm saying that everybody's word should have its stat.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864.And this justifies it because...?QuoteAnd even so, it's still not a big deal.I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country. QuoteThe U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?QuoteIt's just a quote on a building,A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs. Quoteit could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody.I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that. Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment. QuoteBut because it is this particular phrase......it matters?It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard. I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864.
And even so, it's still not a big deal.
The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.
It's just a quote on a building,
it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody.
But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:22:25 AMQuote from: challengerX on July 15, 2015, 06:18:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864.And this justifies it because...?QuoteAnd even so, it's still not a big deal.I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country. QuoteThe U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?QuoteIt's just a quote on a building,A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs. Quoteit could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody.I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that. Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment. QuoteBut because it is this particular phrase......it matters?It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard. I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.I'm more of appealing to the whole free speech argument. I didn't say only Christian things should be allowed, I'm saying that everybody's word should have its stat.But the whole free speech thing doesn't apply to the government. It doesn't have a religion. It doesn't have speech to protect.
Quote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:20:00 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?America was founded on the principle of secularism.Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:26:04 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:20:00 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?America was founded on the principle of secularism.Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?Exactly how is the state endorsing Christianity religious freedom? The government is NOT supposed to pick and choose which religion gets state approval. That's the antithesis of secularism.Religious freedom is the right to practice religion without intervention of the state, both in a positive or a negative light. It does not mean state endorsement. This is not a difficult concept.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 15, 2015, 10:26:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:22:25 AMQuote from: challengerX on July 15, 2015, 06:18:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864.And this justifies it because...?QuoteAnd even so, it's still not a big deal.I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country. QuoteThe U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?QuoteIt's just a quote on a building,A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs. Quoteit could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody.I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that. Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment. QuoteBut because it is this particular phrase......it matters?It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard. I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.I'm more of appealing to the whole free speech argument. I didn't say only Christian things should be allowed, I'm saying that everybody's word should have its stat.But the whole free speech thing doesn't apply to the government. It doesn't have a religion. It doesn't have speech to protect.The thing is, you have an issue with an appearance, not a function. The government put this phrase up, but is that affecting how the government is treating you because of it?Again, it's like hating the color of a building but loving the work done inside. It's an appearance problem.
Quote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:30:16 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:26:04 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:20:00 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?America was founded on the principle of secularism.Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?Exactly how is the state endorsing Christianity religious freedom? The government is NOT supposed to pick and choose which religion gets state approval. That's the antithesis of secularism.Religious freedom is the right to practice religion without intervention of the state, both in a positive or a negative light. It does not mean state endorsement. This is not a difficult concept.Not a difficult concept. But having this big of an issue over 4 words that don't affect you or how government operates is just silly to me.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:29:28 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 15, 2015, 10:26:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:22:25 AMQuote from: challengerX on July 15, 2015, 06:18:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864.And this justifies it because...?QuoteAnd even so, it's still not a big deal.I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country. QuoteThe U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?QuoteIt's just a quote on a building,A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs. Quoteit could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody.I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that. Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment. QuoteBut because it is this particular phrase......it matters?It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard. I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.I'm more of appealing to the whole free speech argument. I didn't say only Christian things should be allowed, I'm saying that everybody's word should have its stat.But the whole free speech thing doesn't apply to the government. It doesn't have a religion. It doesn't have speech to protect.The thing is, you have an issue with an appearance, not a function. The government put this phrase up, but is that affecting how the government is treating you because of it?Again, it's like hating the color of a building but loving the work done inside. It's an appearance problem.You can't be secular with phrases about God on your walls, your money, etc.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:32:03 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:30:16 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:26:04 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:20:00 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?America was founded on the principle of secularism.Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?Exactly how is the state endorsing Christianity religious freedom? The government is NOT supposed to pick and choose which religion gets state approval. That's the antithesis of secularism.Religious freedom is the right to practice religion without intervention of the state, both in a positive or a negative light. It does not mean state endorsement. This is not a difficult concept.Not a difficult concept. But having this big of an issue over 4 words that don't affect you or how government operates is just silly to me.So again, you wouldn't have a problem if it was a quote from Buddhist, Islamic or Jewish scripture? It's just 4 words, isn't it?
Quote from: Mad Max on July 15, 2015, 10:32:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:29:28 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 15, 2015, 10:26:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:22:25 AMQuote from: challengerX on July 15, 2015, 06:18:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864.And this justifies it because...?QuoteAnd even so, it's still not a big deal.I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country. QuoteThe U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?QuoteIt's just a quote on a building,A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs. Quoteit could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody.I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that. Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment. QuoteBut because it is this particular phrase......it matters?It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard. I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.I'm more of appealing to the whole free speech argument. I didn't say only Christian things should be allowed, I'm saying that everybody's word should have its stat.But the whole free speech thing doesn't apply to the government. It doesn't have a religion. It doesn't have speech to protect.The thing is, you have an issue with an appearance, not a function. The government put this phrase up, but is that affecting how the government is treating you because of it?Again, it's like hating the color of a building but loving the work done inside. It's an appearance problem.You can't be secular with phrases about God on your walls, your money, etc.Is whether the government is secular or not determined by the way it's buildings and currency look, or by the laws and actions it carries out?
Quote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:33:19 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:32:03 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:30:16 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:26:04 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:20:00 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?America was founded on the principle of secularism.Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?Exactly how is the state endorsing Christianity religious freedom? The government is NOT supposed to pick and choose which religion gets state approval. That's the antithesis of secularism.Religious freedom is the right to practice religion without intervention of the state, both in a positive or a negative light. It does not mean state endorsement. This is not a difficult concept.Not a difficult concept. But having this big of an issue over 4 words that don't affect you or how government operates is just silly to me.So again, you wouldn't have a problem if it was a quote from Buddhist, Islamic or Jewish scripture? It's just 4 words, isn't it?I actually wouldnt. But you stated earlier that I would have a problem with that since I'm a Christian. So you've already made up your mind on that.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:35:07 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 15, 2015, 10:32:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:29:28 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 15, 2015, 10:26:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:22:25 AMQuote from: challengerX on July 15, 2015, 06:18:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864.And this justifies it because...?QuoteAnd even so, it's still not a big deal.I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country. QuoteThe U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?QuoteIt's just a quote on a building,A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs. Quoteit could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody.I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that. Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment. QuoteBut because it is this particular phrase......it matters?It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard. I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.I'm more of appealing to the whole free speech argument. I didn't say only Christian things should be allowed, I'm saying that everybody's word should have its stat.But the whole free speech thing doesn't apply to the government. It doesn't have a religion. It doesn't have speech to protect.The thing is, you have an issue with an appearance, not a function. The government put this phrase up, but is that affecting how the government is treating you because of it?Again, it's like hating the color of a building but loving the work done inside. It's an appearance problem.You can't be secular with phrases about God on your walls, your money, etc.Is whether the government is secular or not determined by the way it's buildings and currency look, or by the laws and actions it carries out?Both equally, obviously.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:36:10 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:33:19 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:32:03 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:30:16 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:26:04 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:20:00 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?America was founded on the principle of secularism.Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?Exactly how is the state endorsing Christianity religious freedom? The government is NOT supposed to pick and choose which religion gets state approval. That's the antithesis of secularism.Religious freedom is the right to practice religion without intervention of the state, both in a positive or a negative light. It does not mean state endorsement. This is not a difficult concept.Not a difficult concept. But having this big of an issue over 4 words that don't affect you or how government operates is just silly to me.So again, you wouldn't have a problem if it was a quote from Buddhist, Islamic or Jewish scripture? It's just 4 words, isn't it?I actually wouldnt. But you stated earlier that I would have a problem with that since I'm a Christian. So you've already made up your mind on that.Government favouring a religion that you don't adhere to doesn't bother you in the slightest? Sure thing bucko.You are in absolutely no position to complain when government starts infringing on your rights then, seeing as how you have no problem having them infringing on others. Gonna hold you to this in the future.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:36:10 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:33:19 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:32:03 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:30:16 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:26:04 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:20:00 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?America was founded on the principle of secularism.Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?Exactly how is the state endorsing Christianity religious freedom? The government is NOT supposed to pick and choose which religion gets state approval. That's the antithesis of secularism.Religious freedom is the right to practice religion without intervention of the state, both in a positive or a negative light. It does not mean state endorsement. This is not a difficult concept.Not a difficult concept. But having this big of an issue over 4 words that don't affect you or how government operates is just silly to me.So again, you wouldn't have a problem if it was a quote from Buddhist, Islamic or Jewish scripture? It's just 4 words, isn't it?I actually wouldnt. But you stated earlier that I would have a problem with that since I'm a Christian. So you've already made up your mind on that.Government favouring a religion that you don't adhere to doesn't bother you in the slightest? Sure thing bucko.You are in absolutely no position to complain when government starts infringing on your rights then, seeing as how you have no problem with them infringing on others. Gonna hold you to this in the future.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 15, 2015, 10:37:24 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:35:07 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 15, 2015, 10:32:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:29:28 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 15, 2015, 10:26:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:22:25 AMQuote from: challengerX on July 15, 2015, 06:18:18 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864.And this justifies it because...?QuoteAnd even so, it's still not a big deal.I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country. QuoteThe U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?QuoteIt's just a quote on a building,A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs. Quoteit could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody.I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that. Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment. QuoteBut because it is this particular phrase......it matters?It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard. I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.I'm more of appealing to the whole free speech argument. I didn't say only Christian things should be allowed, I'm saying that everybody's word should have its stat.But the whole free speech thing doesn't apply to the government. It doesn't have a religion. It doesn't have speech to protect.The thing is, you have an issue with an appearance, not a function. The government put this phrase up, but is that affecting how the government is treating you because of it?Again, it's like hating the color of a building but loving the work done inside. It's an appearance problem.You can't be secular with phrases about God on your walls, your money, etc.Is whether the government is secular or not determined by the way it's buildings and currency look, or by the laws and actions it carries out?Both equally, obviously.I disagree. A government can appear one way and operate the other.
Quote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:39:38 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:36:10 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:33:19 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:32:03 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:30:16 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:26:04 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:20:00 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?America was founded on the principle of secularism.Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?Exactly how is the state endorsing Christianity religious freedom? The government is NOT supposed to pick and choose which religion gets state approval. That's the antithesis of secularism.Religious freedom is the right to practice religion without intervention of the state, both in a positive or a negative light. It does not mean state endorsement. This is not a difficult concept.Not a difficult concept. But having this big of an issue over 4 words that don't affect you or how government operates is just silly to me.So again, you wouldn't have a problem if it was a quote from Buddhist, Islamic or Jewish scripture? It's just 4 words, isn't it?I actually wouldnt. But you stated earlier that I would have a problem with that since I'm a Christian. So you've already made up your mind on that.Government favouring a religion that you don't adhere to doesn't bother you in the slightest? Sure thing bucko.You are in absolutely no position to complain when government starts infringing on your rights then, seeing as how you have no problem with them infringing on others. Gonna hold you to this in the future.You must have misinterpreted my post. Where did I say Christianity gets special treatment? Nowhere? That's what I thought.Let me make this very clear: No faith gets special treatment. Any of them should have had a chance of having something put up there. Doesn't mean they should be up there in the first place, but that one didn't have more likelihood than another faith.
Quote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:39:38 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:36:10 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:33:19 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:32:03 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:30:16 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:26:04 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:20:00 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?America was founded on the principle of secularism.Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?Exactly how is the state endorsing Christianity religious freedom? The government is NOT supposed to pick and choose which religion gets state approval. That's the antithesis of secularism.Religious freedom is the right to practice religion without intervention of the state, both in a positive or a negative light. It does not mean state endorsement. This is not a difficult concept.Not a difficult concept. But having this big of an issue over 4 words that don't affect you or how government operates is just silly to me.So again, you wouldn't have a problem if it was a quote from Buddhist, Islamic or Jewish scripture? It's just 4 words, isn't it?I actually wouldnt. But you stated earlier that I would have a problem with that since I'm a Christian. So you've already made up your mind on that.Government favouring a religion that you don't adhere to doesn't bother you in the slightest? Sure thing bucko.You are in absolutely no position to complain when government starts infringing on your rights then, seeing as how you have no problem having them infringing on others. Gonna hold you to this in the future.A Christian in the US isn't able to understand what it's like to see your secular government favoring religion, because our government currently favors Christians. Everything a Christian here sees is a happy confirmation of their beliefs. They basically run our country, and make up 3/4 of our population.They simply don't know.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:43:25 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:39:38 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:36:10 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:33:19 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:32:03 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:30:16 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:26:04 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:20:00 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?America was founded on the principle of secularism.Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?Exactly how is the state endorsing Christianity religious freedom? The government is NOT supposed to pick and choose which religion gets state approval. That's the antithesis of secularism.Religious freedom is the right to practice religion without intervention of the state, both in a positive or a negative light. It does not mean state endorsement. This is not a difficult concept.Not a difficult concept. But having this big of an issue over 4 words that don't affect you or how government operates is just silly to me.So again, you wouldn't have a problem if it was a quote from Buddhist, Islamic or Jewish scripture? It's just 4 words, isn't it?I actually wouldnt. But you stated earlier that I would have a problem with that since I'm a Christian. So you've already made up your mind on that.Government favouring a religion that you don't adhere to doesn't bother you in the slightest? Sure thing bucko.You are in absolutely no position to complain when government starts infringing on your rights then, seeing as how you have no problem with them infringing on others. Gonna hold you to this in the future.You must have misinterpreted my post. Where did I say Christianity gets special treatment? Nowhere? That's what I thought.Let me make this very clear: No faith gets special treatment. Any of them should have had a chance of having something put up there. Doesn't mean they should be up there in the first place, but that one didn't have more likelihood than another faith.Which is exactly why this is dumb. Either the city council chambers observers EACH and EVERY religion that could possibly exist, or they observe none of them. The former is a waste of time, space, and taxpayer money.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 15, 2015, 10:45:17 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:43:25 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:39:38 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:36:10 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:33:19 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:32:03 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:30:16 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:26:04 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:20:00 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PMWe literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?America was founded on the principle of secularism.Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?Exactly how is the state endorsing Christianity religious freedom? The government is NOT supposed to pick and choose which religion gets state approval. That's the antithesis of secularism.Religious freedom is the right to practice religion without intervention of the state, both in a positive or a negative light. It does not mean state endorsement. This is not a difficult concept.Not a difficult concept. But having this big of an issue over 4 words that don't affect you or how government operates is just silly to me.So again, you wouldn't have a problem if it was a quote from Buddhist, Islamic or Jewish scripture? It's just 4 words, isn't it?I actually wouldnt. But you stated earlier that I would have a problem with that since I'm a Christian. So you've already made up your mind on that.Government favouring a religion that you don't adhere to doesn't bother you in the slightest? Sure thing bucko.You are in absolutely no position to complain when government starts infringing on your rights then, seeing as how you have no problem with them infringing on others. Gonna hold you to this in the future.You must have misinterpreted my post. Where did I say Christianity gets special treatment? Nowhere? That's what I thought.Let me make this very clear: No faith gets special treatment. Any of them should have had a chance of having something put up there. Doesn't mean they should be up there in the first place, but that one didn't have more likelihood than another faith.Which is exactly why this is dumb. Either the city council chambers observers EACH and EVERY religion that could possibly exist, or they observe none of them. The former is a waste of time, space, and taxpayer money.I don't disagree. I'm just not concerned with how a government appears, I suppose.
You must have misinterpreted my post. Where did I say Christianity gets special treatment? Nowhere? That's what I thought.
Let me make this very clear: No faith gets special treatment.
Any of them should have had a chance of having something put up there. Doesn't mean they should be up there in the first place, but that one didn't have more likelihood than another faith.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:43:25 AMYou must have misinterpreted my post. Where did I say Christianity gets special treatment? Nowhere? That's what I thought.No, but you have tacitly disregarded something so blatantly unconstitutional throughout this entire discussion. You might as well have at this point.QuoteLet me make this very clear: No faith gets special treatment.It must be nice being so blissfully ignorant.QuoteAny of them should have had a chance of having something put up there. Doesn't mean they should be up there in the first place, but that one didn't have more likelihood than another faith.Literally no idea what this even means.It seems to have gone over your head again so I'll simplify it for you.GOVERNMENT CANNOT FAVOUR ONE RELIGION OVER THE OTHERGOVERNMENT + RELIGION = NOSECULARISMnoun1.secular spirit or tendency, especially a system of political or social philosophy that rejects all forms of religious faith and worship.2.the view that public education and other matters of civil policy should be conducted without the introduction of a religious element.
A government's appearance and how it actually operates aren't always the same.
Quote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:50:08 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:43:25 AMYou must have misinterpreted my post. Where did I say Christianity gets special treatment? Nowhere? That's what I thought.No, but you have tacitly disregarded something so blatantly unconstitutional throughout this entire discussion. You might as well have at this point.QuoteLet me make this very clear: No faith gets special treatment.It must be nice being so blissfully ignorant.QuoteAny of them should have had a chance of having something put up there. Doesn't mean they should be up there in the first place, but that one didn't have more likelihood than another faith.Literally no idea what this even means.It seems to have gone over your head again so I'll simplify it for you.GOVERNMENT CANNOT FAVOUR ONE RELIGION OVER THE OTHERGOVERNMENT + RELIGION = NOSECULARISMnoun1.secular spirit or tendency, especially a system of political or social philosophy that rejects all forms of religious faith and worship.2.the view that public education and other matters of civil policy should be conducted without the introduction of a religious element.Make sure you read my replies to Max as well.A government's appearance and how it actually operates aren't always the same.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:51:55 AMA government's appearance and how it actually operates aren't always the same.But it should strive to be the same. Appearances that are clearly contradictory to their actions should be done away with.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:51:55 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:50:08 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:43:25 AMYou must have misinterpreted my post. Where did I say Christianity gets special treatment? Nowhere? That's what I thought.No, but you have tacitly disregarded something so blatantly unconstitutional throughout this entire discussion. You might as well have at this point.QuoteLet me make this very clear: No faith gets special treatment.It must be nice being so blissfully ignorant.QuoteAny of them should have had a chance of having something put up there. Doesn't mean they should be up there in the first place, but that one didn't have more likelihood than another faith.Literally no idea what this even means.It seems to have gone over your head again so I'll simplify it for you.GOVERNMENT CANNOT FAVOUR ONE RELIGION OVER THE OTHERGOVERNMENT + RELIGION = NOSECULARISMnoun1.secular spirit or tendency, especially a system of political or social philosophy that rejects all forms of religious faith and worship.2.the view that public education and other matters of civil policy should be conducted without the introduction of a religious element.Make sure you read my replies to Max as well.A government's appearance and how it actually operates aren't always the same.Agreed, which is why we should always call them out for their bullshit, not handwave it off with half assed excuses.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 15, 2015, 10:53:52 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:51:55 AMA government's appearance and how it actually operates aren't always the same.But it should strive to be the same. Appearances that are clearly contradictory to their actions should be done away with.Well that is politics for you
Quote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:54:22 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:51:55 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:50:08 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:43:25 AMYou must have misinterpreted my post. Where did I say Christianity gets special treatment? Nowhere? That's what I thought.No, but you have tacitly disregarded something so blatantly unconstitutional throughout this entire discussion. You might as well have at this point.QuoteLet me make this very clear: No faith gets special treatment.It must be nice being so blissfully ignorant.QuoteAny of them should have had a chance of having something put up there. Doesn't mean they should be up there in the first place, but that one didn't have more likelihood than another faith.Literally no idea what this even means.It seems to have gone over your head again so I'll simplify it for you.GOVERNMENT CANNOT FAVOUR ONE RELIGION OVER THE OTHERGOVERNMENT + RELIGION = NOSECULARISMnoun1.secular spirit or tendency, especially a system of political or social philosophy that rejects all forms of religious faith and worship.2.the view that public education and other matters of civil policy should be conducted without the introduction of a religious element.Make sure you read my replies to Max as well.A government's appearance and how it actually operates aren't always the same.Agreed, which is why we should always call them out for their bullshit, not handwave it off with half assed excuses.The big thing here is you care what the government puts in the buildings, you care about their appearance.I dont. I only care about how it operates.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:55:28 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:54:22 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:51:55 AMQuote from: career ender on July 15, 2015, 10:50:08 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:43:25 AMYou must have misinterpreted my post. Where did I say Christianity gets special treatment? Nowhere? That's what I thought.No, but you have tacitly disregarded something so blatantly unconstitutional throughout this entire discussion. You might as well have at this point.QuoteLet me make this very clear: No faith gets special treatment.It must be nice being so blissfully ignorant.QuoteAny of them should have had a chance of having something put up there. Doesn't mean they should be up there in the first place, but that one didn't have more likelihood than another faith.Literally no idea what this even means.It seems to have gone over your head again so I'll simplify it for you.GOVERNMENT CANNOT FAVOUR ONE RELIGION OVER THE OTHERGOVERNMENT + RELIGION = NOSECULARISMnoun1.secular spirit or tendency, especially a system of political or social philosophy that rejects all forms of religious faith and worship.2.the view that public education and other matters of civil policy should be conducted without the introduction of a religious element.Make sure you read my replies to Max as well.A government's appearance and how it actually operates aren't always the same.Agreed, which is why we should always call them out for their bullshit, not handwave it off with half assed excuses.The big thing here is you care what the government puts in the buildings, you care about their appearance.I dont. I only care about how it operates.Openly favoring a religion by putting its words on your wall IS operation. They're spending time voting on this. They're spending money putting the words up. This is operation.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:54:32 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 15, 2015, 10:53:52 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on July 15, 2015, 10:51:55 AMA government's appearance and how it actually operates aren't always the same.But it should strive to be the same. Appearances that are clearly contradictory to their actions should be done away with.Well that is politics for youThe "meh, oh well" attitude is really fucking annoying. I wouldn't expect you to understand, though.
My city wants to display "In God We Trust" in the city council chambers
