My city wants to display "In God We Trust" in the city council chambers

Lord Starch · July 13, 2015, 02:39:37 PM

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People are actually wasting energy being upset over this?
I would "waste energy" to defend secularism in my town government, and anyone who respects and values the constitution should too.
Yeah I'm more worried about police brutality, mansanto protection acts, and the consistent warfare going on in the Middle East. But hey, priorities right?
Oh, right. I forgot that I can only worry about one thing.
When it's something as trivial as this, it's clear you're not worried about much else. Just sayin.
That's absolutely retarded and you know it.

Nah. Anyone who worries about something this small that affects no one is simply not preoccupied with more important matters. Trivial shit like this barely even makes the news because no one really cares. There's more important things going on.

God · July 13, 2015, 02:46:30 PM

Just having the words on a building isn't worth worrying about. The real reason people are concerned about this is that a government institution isn't respecting one of its most important founding principles.

The Lord Ruler · July 13, 2015, 03:17:23 PM

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People are actually wasting energy being upset over this?
I would "waste energy" to defend secularism in my town government, and anyone who respects and values the constitution should too.
Yeah I'm more worried about police brutality, mansanto protection acts, and the consistent warfare going on in the Middle East. But hey, priorities right?
Oh, right. I forgot that I can only worry about one thing.
When it's something as trivial as this, it's clear you're not worried about much else. Just sayin.
That's absolutely retarded and you know it.
Nah. Anyone who worries about something this small that affects no one is simply not preoccupied with more important matters. Trivial shit like this barely even makes the news because no one really cares. There's more important things going on.

So we should give up our principals just because the problem isn't the most important problem at the moment?

Lord Starch · July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PM

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People are actually wasting energy being upset over this?
I would "waste energy" to defend secularism in my town government, and anyone who respects and values the constitution should too.
Yeah I'm more worried about police brutality, mansanto protection acts, and the consistent warfare going on in the Middle East. But hey, priorities right?
Oh, right. I forgot that I can only worry about one thing.
When it's something as trivial as this, it's clear you're not worried about much else. Just sayin.
That's absolutely retarded and you know it.
Nah. Anyone who worries about something this small that affects no one is simply not preoccupied with more important matters. Trivial shit like this barely even makes the news because no one really cares. There's more important things going on.

So we should give up our principals just because the problem isn't the most important problem at the moment?

Principles in regards to complaining over a few words? This isn't a problem, let's stop playing these childish games. We literally have God on our currency. If you want to find something to get mad about then there are real problems that actually affect people.

The Lord Ruler · July 13, 2015, 04:44:45 PM

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People are actually wasting energy being upset over this?
I would "waste energy" to defend secularism in my town government, and anyone who respects and values the constitution should too.
Yeah I'm more worried about police brutality, mansanto protection acts, and the consistent warfare going on in the Middle East. But hey, priorities right?
Oh, right. I forgot that I can only worry about one thing.
When it's something as trivial as this, it's clear you're not worried about much else. Just sayin.
That's absolutely retarded and you know it.
Nah. Anyone who worries about something this small that affects no one is simply not preoccupied with more important matters. Trivial shit like this barely even makes the news because no one really cares. There's more important things going on.

So we should give up our principals just because the problem isn't the most important problem at the moment?
Principles in regards to complaining over a few words? This isn't a problem, let's stop playing these childish games. We literally have God on our currency. If you want to find something to get mad about then there are real problems that actually affect people.

Principals in regards government and religion being separate.

I agree that we shouldn't worry about the "in god we trust" that's already on currency/buildings but to add it to anything at this point in time is ridiculous.

It doesn't belong there.

Mad Max · July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PM

Quote from: Lord Starch on July 13, 2015, 04:30:18 PM

We literally have God on our currency.

Doesn't belong there, either.

I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.

It doesn't belong there. Keep your shit to yourself.

Miia · July 13, 2015, 04:48:03 PM

It's on the money, so who cares if it's in the building?

Nick McIntyre · July 13, 2015, 04:54:21 PM

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People are actually wasting energy being upset over this?
I would "waste energy" to defend secularism in my town government, and anyone who respects and values the constitution should too.
Yeah I'm more worried about police brutality, mansanto protection acts, and the consistent warfare going on in the Middle East. But hey, priorities right?
Oh, right. I forgot that I can only worry about one thing.
When it's something as trivial as this, it's clear you're not worried about much else. Just sayin.
That's absolutely retarded and you know it.
Nah. Anyone who worries about something this small that affects no one is simply not preoccupied with more important matters. Trivial shit like this barely even makes the news because no one really cares. There's more important things going on.

So we should give up our principals just because the problem isn't the most important problem at the moment?
We literally have God on our currency.

Added only because of America's "TEH EBIL COMMUNISUMZ" period in the 50's.

Luciana · July 13, 2015, 05:41:09 PM

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People are actually wasting energy being upset over this?
I would "waste energy" to defend secularism in my town government, and anyone who respects and values the constitution should too.
Yeah I'm more worried about police brutality, mansanto protection acts, and the consistent warfare going on in the Middle East. But hey, priorities right?
Oh, right. I forgot that I can only worry about one thing.
When it's something as trivial as this, it's clear you're not worried about much else. Just sayin.
That's absolutely retarded and you know it.
Nah. Anyone who worries about something this small that affects no one is simply not preoccupied with more important matters. Trivial shit like this barely even makes the news because no one really cares. There's more important things going on.

So we should give up our principals just because the problem isn't the most important problem at the moment?
We literally have God on our currency.

Added only because of America's "TEH EBIL COMMUNISUMZ" period in the 50's.

And since then, no Commie bastard has risen to power.

Checkmate, Atheists.

DAS B00T x2 · July 13, 2015, 05:43:22 PM

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People are actually wasting energy being upset over this?
I would "waste energy" to defend secularism in my town government, and anyone who respects and values the constitution should too.
Yeah I'm more worried about police brutality, mansanto protection acts, and the consistent warfare going on in the Middle East. But hey, priorities right?
Oh, right. I forgot that I can only worry about one thing.
When it's something as trivial as this, it's clear you're not worried about much else. Just sayin.
That's absolutely retarded and you know it.
Nah. Anyone who worries about something this small that affects no one is simply not preoccupied with more important matters. Trivial shit like this barely even makes the news because no one really cares. There's more important things going on.

So we should give up our principals just because the problem isn't the most important problem at the moment?
We literally have God on our currency.

Added only because of America's "TEH EBIL COMMUNISUMZ" period in the 50's.
And since then, no Commie bastard has risen to power.

Checkmate, Atheists.

umm...

Educate yourself.

Luciana · July 13, 2015, 05:44:15 PM

Oh my god....

OH! MY! GOD!!!!!!

WE'VE BEEN FOOLED!!!!!!!! WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!!!!! D'x

Mad Max · July 13, 2015, 06:01:37 PM

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It's on the money, so who cares if it's in the building?

>implying it's ok that it's on our currency

Mordo · July 13, 2015, 06:09:11 PM

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no its disgusting to see people try and hinder this thing called free speech which the country was founded upon

The state endorsing theocratic principles has literally nothing to do with freedom of expression, like, at all.

PSU · July 13, 2015, 07:53:47 PM

Some people have too much time on their hands. I wish I had the time to bitch and protest about dumb shit all day.

The Lord Slide Rule · July 13, 2015, 09:05:02 PM

I don't care. . .

The Lord Slide Rule · July 13, 2015, 09:06:49 PM

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People are actually wasting energy being upset over this?
I would "waste energy" to defend secularism in my town government, and anyone who respects and values the constitution should too.
Yeah I'm more worried about police brutality, mansanto protection acts, and the consistent warfare going on in the Middle East. But hey, priorities right?
Oh, right. I forgot that I can only worry about one thing.
When it's something as trivial as this, it's clear you're not worried about much else. Just sayin.
That's absolutely retarded and you know it.
Nah. Anyone who worries about something this small that affects no one is simply not preoccupied with more important matters. Trivial shit like this barely even makes the news because no one really cares. There's more important things going on.

So we should give up our principals just because the problem isn't the most important problem at the moment?
We literally have God on our currency.

Added only because of America's "TEH EBIL COMMUNISUMZ" period in the 50's.
And since then, no Commie bastard has risen to power.

Checkmate, Atheists.
umm...

Educate yourself.

Actually that's the black power salu-. . .

The Lord Slide Rule · July 13, 2015, 09:11:32 PM

Also does the appearance of theistic slogans on municipal property actually have anything to do with the wall of separation implied by the 1st amendment to the Constitution of the federal govt?

BrenMan 94 · July 13, 2015, 10:00:24 PM

Does it feel bad knowing that the government is paying for shit you don't like, and you're partially paying for it?

The Lord Slide Rule · July 13, 2015, 10:10:41 PM

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Does it feel bad knowing that the government is paying for shit you don't like, and you're partially paying for it?

Word Wizard · July 13, 2015, 10:43:10 PM

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Some people have too much time on their hands. I wish I had the time to bitch about dumb shit all day.

Looks like you got time to complain about this.

Mattie G Indahouse · July 14, 2015, 05:42:13 AM

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Some people have too much time on their hands. I wish I had the time to bitch and protest about dumb shit all day.

You must do since you're wasting time on this site.

challengerX · July 14, 2015, 05:53:48 AM

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PSU · July 14, 2015, 01:34:49 PM

I wouldn't give a shit because I have more important things to worry about like my family, work, and bills.

Shit, I care more about my sports teams than the gay ass government.

Turkey · July 14, 2015, 03:57:21 PM

I wish we'd go back to "e pluribus unum" because it seems to represent our country much better, but "In God We Trust" is such a generalized statement that claiming it's specifically Christian (rather than of any Judeo-Christian worldview, or more ambiguous theism/deism as many of the founding fathers were) is difficult to justify today.

I've also interpreted it as a tongue-in-cheek reference to American exceptionalism using the word 'trust' in an economic sense.

big sponge · July 15, 2015, 02:56:18 AM

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I wish we'd go back to "e pluribus unum" because it seems to represent our country much better

I'm sure many do, but it's going to be hard to get some of the right wing fundies in congress to vote in favor of returning to our original motto.

R o c k e t · July 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AM

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We literally have God on our currency.
Doesn't belong there, either.

I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.

It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.

It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?

Mattie G Indahouse · July 15, 2015, 05:35:01 AM

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The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.

It does when it's using "In God we trust" instead of a motto that's for all the religions in the US. Not every religion here shares the same god. When you have a motto that's for one particular religion or favors a type of it over the others that religion is being favored over the other ones. When you have a country that's made up of different regions that isn't right. All regions should be held on the same level by the government which isn't being done with this motto and the under god thing in the pledge.

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Mordo · July 15, 2015, 10:20:00 AM

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We literally have God on our currency.
Doesn't belong there, either.

I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.

It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.

It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?

America was founded on the principle of secularism.

Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.

So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.

I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.

R o c k e t · July 15, 2015, 10:22:25 AM

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We literally have God on our currency.
Doesn't belong there, either.

I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.

It's been around since 1864.
And this justifies it because...?

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And even so, it's still not a big deal.
I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country.

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The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.
So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?

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It's just a quote on a building,
A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs.

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it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody.
I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that.

Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment.

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But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?
It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard.

I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.

I'm more of appealing to the whole free speech argument. I didn't say only Christian things should be allowed, I'm saying that everybody's word should have its stay