There is literally nothing wrong with this, and if you think there is you have no business calling yourself a liberal.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 01, 2016, 03:10:50 PMQuote from: Yulius Kaisar on April 01, 2016, 03:08:33 PMThere is literally nothing wrong with this, and if you think there is you have no business calling yourself a liberal.Discrimination bad, equality good!This isn't a hard concept to figure out.Oh, I see, I see.So policies that could require people to act counter to their religious beliefs are okay because LGBTQWTFBBQ rights are more important than religious rights. Gotcha.
Quote from: Yulius Kaisar on April 01, 2016, 03:08:33 PMThere is literally nothing wrong with this, and if you think there is you have no business calling yourself a liberal.Discrimination bad, equality good!This isn't a hard concept to figure out.
Is that not the entire point of laws in a liberal republic?
I wonder if the progressive sphere will finally recognise Islamic businesses that do this sort of thing as well.
equality good!
Quote from: SecondClass on April 01, 2016, 03:10:50 PMequality good!Only when applied to the approved groups though, right?
when in reality it's just discriminating against people or beliefs they don't particularly feel comfortable with.
Any group, under the law, deserves the same exact treatment as any other group.
Quote from: Luciana on April 01, 2016, 03:17:14 PMwhen in reality it's just discriminating against people or beliefs they don't particularly feel comfortable with.Except this is exactly what progressives do when they demand that Christian business owners serve LGBT individuals. When you say to a Christian bakery, or whatever, "You have to cater to this gay wedding" you are discriminating against them because you are uncomfortable with their beliefs. I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree with the law; just that you're being a hypocrite.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 01, 2016, 03:44:09 PMAny group, under the law, deserves the same exact treatment as any other group.Great. So Christians and gays should both have the right to refuse service to each other.
look, laws that actively prevent someone from doing something based on sexuality, ethnicity, etc are discriminatory. I do not advocate those. However, as far as I know, this law does not do that.Unless I have missed something, this law ensures a person can refuse to do business based on their religious beliefs. That is far from discrimination. There are quite a few wedding cake stores in that state. As far as I know.The liberal position here is that man may choose who he does business with. Sorry, that's it. Like you wouldn't ask a gay man to bake a cake that says "god hates fags", a man whose religion is opposed to homosexuality shouldn't be wrangled into making a gay wedding cake.Now, if this bill actually lays out a policy that discriminates (like the bathroom law in NC), I am misinformed and would be happy to reassess based on the accurate information.
Like you wouldn't ask a gay man to bake a cake that says "god hates fags", a man whose religion is opposed to homosexuality shouldn't be wrangled into making a gay wedding cake.
And it's bad when that happens, too. Discrimination is discrimination. Not sure what you're trying to prove here.
Not one word was mentioned of any Islamic bakeries that behaved similarly towards LGBT customers.
Quote from: Mordo on April 01, 2016, 03:51:22 PMNot one word was mentioned of any Islamic bakeries that behaved similarly towards LGBT customers.Those exist? Well that's news to me.
Quote from: Mad Max on April 01, 2016, 03:15:53 PMQuote from: Yulius Kaisar on April 01, 2016, 03:14:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 01, 2016, 03:10:50 PMQuote from: Yulius Kaisar on April 01, 2016, 03:08:33 PMThere is literally nothing wrong with this, and if you think there is you have no business calling yourself a liberal.Discrimination bad, equality good!This isn't a hard concept to figure out.Oh, I see, I see.So policies that could require people to act counter to their religious beliefs are okay because LGBTQWTFBBQ rights are more important than religious rights. Gotcha.You seem to be under the impression that LGBT rights and religious freedom are at odds, and the more LGBT rights there are, the less religious freedom you have.Clearly you don't understand my position at all.
Quote from: Yulius Kaisar on April 01, 2016, 03:14:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 01, 2016, 03:10:50 PMQuote from: Yulius Kaisar on April 01, 2016, 03:08:33 PMThere is literally nothing wrong with this, and if you think there is you have no business calling yourself a liberal.Discrimination bad, equality good!This isn't a hard concept to figure out.Oh, I see, I see.So policies that could require people to act counter to their religious beliefs are okay because LGBTQWTFBBQ rights are more important than religious rights. Gotcha.You seem to be under the impression that LGBT rights and religious freedom are at odds, and the more LGBT rights there are, the less religious freedom you have.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 01, 2016, 03:37:36 PMAnd it's bad when that happens, too. Discrimination is discrimination. Not sure what you're trying to prove here.That morally sanctimonious fuckwits always seem to turn out to be hypocrites?Let's cut the shit here. That whole bakery fiasco was a complete one sided attack on Christian inspired businesses. Not one word was mentioned of any Islamic bakeries that behaved similarly towards LGBT customers.I could give you a run down of how the free market responds to decisions like these and how this really isn't a problem at all, as I have done innumerable times in this forum, but I feel like it would fall on deaf ears.