Quote from: Mordo on February 02, 2017, 01:04:13 PMDUDE BLACK COCKS LMAOProtests were autismal but there's nothing to really be gained from a Milo ((event)) intellectually. He just spouts the same old tiresome jingoistic rhetoric with a "comedic" twist. He's a professional prankster at this point, and anyone that thinks he's there to advance the discourse doesn't understand what a discussion actually involves.A better conservative would be Larry Elder or Douglas Murray.His point is that old conservatives fail because their not engaging. People don't respond to purely facts as the right is wont to do. His jokes get old but his points still stand.
DUDE BLACK COCKS LMAOProtests were autismal but there's nothing to really be gained from a Milo ((event)) intellectually. He just spouts the same old tiresome jingoistic rhetoric with a "comedic" twist. He's a professional prankster at this point, and anyone that thinks he's there to advance the discourse doesn't understand what a discussion actually involves.A better conservative would be Larry Elder or Douglas Murray.
this reminds me of the time when i said nazis had the right to say "haha jews and white power" and it made me a white nationalist. oh boy, love the tolerant left.
Quote from: Naru on February 02, 2017, 07:27:19 PMthis reminds me of the time when i said nazis had the right to say "haha jews and white power" and it made me a white nationalist. oh boy, love the tolerant left.Going around promoting one race while putting down another shouldn't be something allowed. Hate speech is bad, yo.
Quote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 07:31:11 PMQuote from: Naru on February 02, 2017, 07:27:19 PMthis reminds me of the time when i said nazis had the right to say "haha jews and white power" and it made me a white nationalist. oh boy, love the tolerant left.Going around promoting one race while putting down another shouldn't be something allowed. Hate speech is bad, yo.Promoting any kind of racial supremacy in places of academia or public spheres shouldn't be allowed, but the proponents should be, at the very least, not subject to criminalisation or violence.
Quote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 07:31:11 PMQuote from: Naru on February 02, 2017, 07:27:19 PMthis reminds me of the time when i said nazis had the right to say "haha jews and white power" and it made me a white nationalist. oh boy, love the tolerant left.Going around promoting one race while putting down another shouldn't be something allowed. Hate speech is bad, yo.then dont listen to them. easy
plus, saying the rioters won is way wrong. now you have a nation who never heard of milo looking him up on the internet because of the news, then his book coming out in a few months went up in sales by i think a couple thousand percent, then you got shit like cnn and huffpost lying about how hes a white supremacist or nazi. this gave him more publicity and power which is what he wants and can spread to future talk shows.
Quote from: Ian on February 02, 2017, 02:01:41 PMThe difference between his quote and what's going on today though is that there is a huge vocal resistance to the beliefs of the Alt-Right. Allowing Milo to speak isn't humbling accepting his beliefs and offering no resistance. Especially since he would be in a location full of people who are more than willing to verbally attack him and his beliefs (and from the looks of it, do more than just verbal-attacks). Free Speech is a two way street and Milo doesn't have a shield from comments against him. Quote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 01:51:51 PMThe point of this btw is that there were many apologists in Germany at the time going "oh free speech isn't bad", and many didn't take what he said seriously. The moral of the story is that free speech should not = 100% unadulterated content, because a lot of the stuff you say, MUCH of which is fascism these days, is horrible and toxic, and a lot of people start believing and following this stuff.Allowing a white nationalist to speak about how whites are the superior race and that we should kick immigrants out is not a productive "two way" street at all though. People shouldn't NEED to hear that kind of message because nothing productive comes out of it. It's fascism.
The difference between his quote and what's going on today though is that there is a huge vocal resistance to the beliefs of the Alt-Right. Allowing Milo to speak isn't humbling accepting his beliefs and offering no resistance. Especially since he would be in a location full of people who are more than willing to verbally attack him and his beliefs (and from the looks of it, do more than just verbal-attacks). Free Speech is a two way street and Milo doesn't have a shield from comments against him. Quote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 01:51:51 PMThe point of this btw is that there were many apologists in Germany at the time going "oh free speech isn't bad", and many didn't take what he said seriously. The moral of the story is that free speech should not = 100% unadulterated content, because a lot of the stuff you say, MUCH of which is fascism these days, is horrible and toxic, and a lot of people start believing and following this stuff.
The point of this btw is that there were many apologists in Germany at the time going "oh free speech isn't bad", and many didn't take what he said seriously. The moral of the story is that free speech should not = 100% unadulterated content, because a lot of the stuff you say, MUCH of which is fascism these days, is horrible and toxic, and a lot of people start believing and following this stuff.
Quote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 02:18:14 PMQuote from: Ian on February 02, 2017, 02:01:41 PMThe difference between his quote and what's going on today though is that there is a huge vocal resistance to the beliefs of the Alt-Right. Allowing Milo to speak isn't humbling accepting his beliefs and offering no resistance. Especially since he would be in a location full of people who are more than willing to verbally attack him and his beliefs (and from the looks of it, do more than just verbal-attacks). Free Speech is a two way street and Milo doesn't have a shield from comments against him. Quote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 01:51:51 PMThe point of this btw is that there were many apologists in Germany at the time going "oh free speech isn't bad", and many didn't take what he said seriously. The moral of the story is that free speech should not = 100% unadulterated content, because a lot of the stuff you say, MUCH of which is fascism these days, is horrible and toxic, and a lot of people start believing and following this stuff.Allowing a white nationalist to speak about how whites are the superior race and that we should kick immigrants out is not a productive "two way" street at all though. People shouldn't NEED to hear that kind of message because nothing productive comes out of it. It's fascism.>milo kikeanoplois>white nationalist>the faggot that has sucked more black dicks than I have ever unwantingly seen in the showers during my military careerAnd I'm in a unit with a lot of people from north Philly...
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on February 02, 2017, 08:31:07 PMQuote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 02:18:14 PMQuote from: Ian on February 02, 2017, 02:01:41 PMThe difference between his quote and what's going on today though is that there is a huge vocal resistance to the beliefs of the Alt-Right. Allowing Milo to speak isn't humbling accepting his beliefs and offering no resistance. Especially since he would be in a location full of people who are more than willing to verbally attack him and his beliefs (and from the looks of it, do more than just verbal-attacks). Free Speech is a two way street and Milo doesn't have a shield from comments against him. Quote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 01:51:51 PMThe point of this btw is that there were many apologists in Germany at the time going "oh free speech isn't bad", and many didn't take what he said seriously. The moral of the story is that free speech should not = 100% unadulterated content, because a lot of the stuff you say, MUCH of which is fascism these days, is horrible and toxic, and a lot of people start believing and following this stuff.Allowing a white nationalist to speak about how whites are the superior race and that we should kick immigrants out is not a productive "two way" street at all though. People shouldn't NEED to hear that kind of message because nothing productive comes out of it. It's fascism.>milo kikeanoplois>white nationalist>the faggot that has sucked more black dicks than I have ever unwantingly seen in the showers during my military careerAnd I'm in a unit with a lot of people from north Philly...Das are you/were you in the military? I never asked.
Quote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 08:55:12 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on February 02, 2017, 08:31:07 PMQuote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 02:18:14 PMQuote from: Ian on February 02, 2017, 02:01:41 PMThe difference between his quote and what's going on today though is that there is a huge vocal resistance to the beliefs of the Alt-Right. Allowing Milo to speak isn't humbling accepting his beliefs and offering no resistance. Especially since he would be in a location full of people who are more than willing to verbally attack him and his beliefs (and from the looks of it, do more than just verbal-attacks). Free Speech is a two way street and Milo doesn't have a shield from comments against him. Quote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 01:51:51 PMThe point of this btw is that there were many apologists in Germany at the time going "oh free speech isn't bad", and many didn't take what he said seriously. The moral of the story is that free speech should not = 100% unadulterated content, because a lot of the stuff you say, MUCH of which is fascism these days, is horrible and toxic, and a lot of people start believing and following this stuff.Allowing a white nationalist to speak about how whites are the superior race and that we should kick immigrants out is not a productive "two way" street at all though. People shouldn't NEED to hear that kind of message because nothing productive comes out of it. It's fascism.>milo kikeanoplois>white nationalist>the faggot that has sucked more black dicks than I have ever unwantingly seen in the showers during my military careerAnd I'm in a unit with a lot of people from north Philly...Das are you/were you in the military? I never asked.National Guard with a serious case of "I should have done Active Duty first"At least until March. My six years are up March 10th.
Quote from: ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ on February 02, 2017, 04:28:47 PMQuote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 02:18:14 PMAllowing a white nationalist to speak about how whites are the superior race and that we should kick immigrants out is not a productive "two way" street at all though. People shouldn't NEED to hear that kind of message because nothing productive comes out of it. It's fascism.Delete your account.Hate speech should not be tolerated. It's toxic. Anyone who thinks free speech = say whatever you want without punishment, is stupid. There are limits. And that's just talking with the government. People don't have to put up with it even more so.
Quote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 02:18:14 PMAllowing a white nationalist to speak about how whites are the superior race and that we should kick immigrants out is not a productive "two way" street at all though. People shouldn't NEED to hear that kind of message because nothing productive comes out of it. It's fascism.Delete your account.
Allowing a white nationalist to speak about how whites are the superior race and that we should kick immigrants out is not a productive "two way" street at all though. People shouldn't NEED to hear that kind of message because nothing productive comes out of it. It's fascism.
While I don't condone the protest turning violent and damaging, I also don't agree with Milo being invited to UC Berkley or any other university.
I would very much like to see someone debate him in a rational and mature manner
Quote from: Aether on February 03, 2017, 11:35:35 AMI would very much like to see someone debate him in a rational and mature manner Milo wouldn't allow that.
Quote from: Alternative Facts on February 02, 2017, 11:56:35 AMWhile I don't condone the protest turning violent and damaging, I also don't agree with Milo being invited to UC Berkley or any other university.Why? Aren't universities supposed to be a place that exposes you to many different ideas, even those you may disagree with? Isn't the basis for learning and growing in wisdom to observe and study all aspects of life and society, not just those that appeal to you?
Milo is offensive (as per his act) but I've never heard anything from him that condones actual racism, or misogyny. He doesn't seem to hold any beliefs that are any more radical than the average conservative around here.
Quote from: Aether on February 03, 2017, 11:35:35 AMQuote from: Alternative Facts on February 02, 2017, 11:56:35 AMWhile I don't condone the protest turning violent and damaging, I also don't agree with Milo being invited to UC Berkley or any other university.Why? Aren't universities supposed to be a place that exposes you to many different ideas, even those you may disagree with? Isn't the basis for learning and growing in wisdom to observe and study all aspects of life and society, not just those that appeal to you?And as I've said throughout this thread, I have no problem with conservative views being shared at universities - hell, I wish my college brought more in. But the problem isn't that Milo isn't a conservative; he's an antagonistic far-right persona who has no interest in conducting a mature debate with the audience. In the same vein, I wouldn't approve or want a far-left anarchist to come to my university to rant and rave factless claims and throw insults in lieu of meaningful conversation.Quote from: Aether on February 03, 2017, 11:35:35 AMMilo is offensive (as per his act) but I've never heard anything from him that condones actual racism, or misogyny. He doesn't seem to hold any beliefs that are any more radical than the average conservative around here.Outting trans students to audience members, or as the SFTimes report indicates, planning to publicly name and identify students who may be here illegally (Especially those who are "Dreamers") borders on those subjects, along with others. Which feeds back into my first point - conservative views? Fine. More offensive statements? Sure, if you can do it in a dignified and professional tone.Milo fails to do such.
Quote from: Alternative Facts on February 03, 2017, 11:52:44 AMQuote from: Aether on February 03, 2017, 11:35:35 AMQuote from: Alternative Facts on February 02, 2017, 11:56:35 AMWhile I don't condone the protest turning violent and damaging, I also don't agree with Milo being invited to UC Berkley or any other university.Why? Aren't universities supposed to be a place that exposes you to many different ideas, even those you may disagree with? Isn't the basis for learning and growing in wisdom to observe and study all aspects of life and society, not just those that appeal to you?And as I've said throughout this thread, I have no problem with conservative views being shared at universities - hell, I wish my college brought more in. But the problem isn't that Milo isn't a conservative; he's an antagonistic far-right persona who has no interest in conducting a mature debate with the audience. In the same vein, I wouldn't approve or want a far-left anarchist to come to my university to rant and rave factless claims and throw insults in lieu of meaningful conversation.Quote from: Aether on February 03, 2017, 11:35:35 AMMilo is offensive (as per his act) but I've never heard anything from him that condones actual racism, or misogyny. He doesn't seem to hold any beliefs that are any more radical than the average conservative around here.Outting trans students to audience members, or as the SFTimes report indicates, planning to publicly name and identify students who may be here illegally (Especially those who are "Dreamers") borders on those subjects, along with others. Which feeds back into my first point - conservative views? Fine. More offensive statements? Sure, if you can do it in a dignified and professional tone.Milo fails to do such. I've never seen anything about outing trans audience members or identifying illegal immigrants. Can I get a source for that? It's certainly something I wouldn't agree with.
A transsexual who forced his way into the women’s bathrooms at UW-Milwaukee has sensationally quit the university after Breitbart senior editor MILO called him out live on stage.Speaking to LGBT news site Pink News, transwoman Justine Kramer said she was quitting the university after MILO was allowed to call her out for using Title IX legislation to force her way into women’s locker rooms at UWM.Discussing MILO’s event which can be watched in full here, the article states “In his speech – which was streamed on the internet by far-right news outlet Breitbart – Yiannopoulos singled out Milwaukee engineering student Adelaide Kramer, showing pictures of her on a PowerPoint presentation and mocking her as a “man in a dress” who ’I’d almost still bang’
UC Berkeley officials are warning the hosts of a Wednesday night event featuring right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos that his campus speech may be used to target individual students in the country without documentation.“We are deeply concerned for all students’ safety and ability to pursue their education here at Cal beyond Milo’s speech,” the university’s Office of Student Affairs said in a letter Tuesday to the Berkeley College Republicans, the students hosting the event. “Milo’s event may be used to target individuals, either in the audience or by using their personal information in a way that causes them to become human targets to serve a political agenda.”The letter expressed concerns that Yiannopoulos — a British writer for the right-wing opinion site Breitbart News — will use his appearance to kick off a campaign “targeting the undocumented student community on our campus,” and linked to an article published Tuesday on the site.The article begins: “Milo and the (conservative think tank) David Horowitz Freedom Center have teamed up to take down the growing phenomenon of ‘sanctuary campuses’ that shelter illegal immigrants from being deported.”It continues: “Backed by the Freedom Center (Yiannopoulos) will call for the withdrawal of federal grants and the prosecution of university officials who endanger their students with their policies, starting with UC President and former Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano and Berkeley Chancellor Nicholas Dirks.”The article coincides with an executive order issued Friday by President Donald Trump banning travel to the United States from citizens of seven majority-Muslim countries for 90 days that has wreaked havoc in international travel and left many students stranded.The UC Berkeley letter warns the Republican hosts of the event that Yiannopoulos could target individual students — holding up their photos or revealing personal information about them — during the speech that will be live-streamed, “putting students at risk.”
Quote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 07:13:15 PMQuote from: ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ on February 02, 2017, 04:28:47 PMQuote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 02:18:14 PMAllowing a white nationalist to speak about how whites are the superior race and that we should kick immigrants out is not a productive "two way" street at all though. People shouldn't NEED to hear that kind of message because nothing productive comes out of it. It's fascism.Delete your account.Hate speech should not be tolerated. It's toxic. Anyone who thinks free speech = say whatever you want without punishment, is stupid. There are limits. And that's just talking with the government. People don't have to put up with it even more so.Either this is bait disguised as ignorance, or you're too stupid to understand the consequences and implications of what you're advocating. I'm not sure which of these I find more likely.Do I need to explain to you what's wrong with what you're saying?
"hate speech" is very needed in today's society.
Quote from: ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ on February 03, 2017, 01:11:53 PMQuote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 07:13:15 PMQuote from: ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ on February 02, 2017, 04:28:47 PMQuote from: Luciana on February 02, 2017, 02:18:14 PMAllowing a white nationalist to speak about how whites are the superior race and that we should kick immigrants out is not a productive "two way" street at all though. People shouldn't NEED to hear that kind of message because nothing productive comes out of it. It's fascism.Delete your account.Hate speech should not be tolerated. It's toxic. Anyone who thinks free speech = say whatever you want without punishment, is stupid. There are limits. And that's just talking with the government. People don't have to put up with it even more so.Either this is bait disguised as ignorance, or you're too stupid to understand the consequences and implications of what you're advocating. I'm not sure which of these I find more likely.Do I need to explain to you what's wrong with what you're saying?You act like this isn't already a thing in other nations. You can't wave a nazi flag or do the salute freely in Germany without a fine. I'm not saying jail people who do it, but just saying "free speech means everything should be free" is naive as hell. It's exactly what helped give rise to right wing fascism.
Quote from: eggsalad on February 03, 2017, 02:18:58 PMI realize these types adore the idea of saying "the 'tolerant' left is intolerant of opposing views", but at some point you have to realize letting Germany run death-camps is not permissible if you want to live in a world of diversity.You realize you just equated Milo's making fun of SJWs to the Nazi genocide campaign, don't you?I want you to take a step back and think about this for a moment.
I realize these types adore the idea of saying "the 'tolerant' left is intolerant of opposing views", but at some point you have to realize letting Germany run death-camps is not permissible if you want to live in a world of diversity.
#MiloAtCali canceled - Violent Rioting
