This is not the first time that we have seen discriminatory responses to historic moments of progress for our nation. We saw it in the Jim Crow laws that followed the Emancipation Proclamation. We saw it in fierce and widespread resistance to Brown v. Board of Education. And we saw it in the proliferation of state bans on same-sex unions intended to stifle any hope that gay and lesbian Americans might one day be afforded the right to marry. That right, of course, is now recognized as a guarantee embedded in our Constitution, and in the wake of that historic triumph, we have seen bill after bill in state after state taking aim at the LGBT community. Some of these responses reflect a recognizably human fear of the unknown, and a discomfort with the uncertainty of change.
But this is not a time to act out of fear. This is a time to summon our national virtues of inclusivity, diversity, compassion, and open-mindedness. What we must not do—what we must never do—is turn on our neighbors, our family members, our fellow Americans, for something they cannot control, and deny what makes them human. This is why none of us can stand by when a state enters the business of legislating identity and insists that a person pretend to be something they are not, or invents a problem that doesn’t exist as a pretext for discrimination and harassment
Let me speak now to the people of the great state, the beautiful state, my state of North Carolina. You’ve been told that this law protects vulnerable populations from harm—but that just is not the case. Instead, what this law does is inflict further indignity on a population that has already suffered far more than its fair share. This law provides no benefit to society—all it does is harm innocent Americans.Instead of turning away from our neighbors, our friends, our colleagues, let us instead learn from our history and avoid repeating the mistakes of our past. Let us reflect on the obvious but often neglected lesson that state-sanctioned discrimination never looks good in hindsight. It was not so very long ago that states, including North Carolina, had signs above restrooms, water fountains and on public accommodations keeping people out based upon a distinction without a difference. We have moved beyond those dark days, but not without pain and suffering and an ongoing fight to keep moving forward. Let us write a different story this time. Let us not act out of fear and misunderstanding, but out of the values of inclusion, diversity, and regard for all that make our country great.
Let me also speak directly to the transgender community itself. Some of you have lived freely for decades. Others of you are still wondering how you can possibly live the lives you were born to lead. But no matter how isolated or scared you may feel today, the Department of Justice and the entire Obama administration wants you to know that we see you; we stand with you; and we will do everything we can to protect you going forward. Please know that history is on your side. This country was founded on a promise of equal rights for all, and we have always managed to move closer to that promise, little by little, one day at a time. It may not be easy—but we’ll get there together.
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Feds are taking this way to seriously.
Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 10, 2016, 08:38:12 PMFeds are taking this way to seriously.Uh, no.
Quote from: Icy on May 10, 2016, 08:43:52 PMQuote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 10, 2016, 08:38:12 PMFeds are taking this way to seriously.Uh, no.Uh, yeah. That they've cut of funding to NC to bully them into following their policies.
Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 10, 2016, 08:45:35 PMQuote from: Icy on May 10, 2016, 08:43:52 PMQuote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 10, 2016, 08:38:12 PMFeds are taking this way to seriously.Uh, no.Uh, yeah. That they've cut of funding to NC to bully them into following their policies.Again, noAlso, it isn't "bullying" to tell a state their laws are discriminatory.
Quote from: Icy on May 10, 2016, 09:05:54 PMQuote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 10, 2016, 08:45:35 PMQuote from: Icy on May 10, 2016, 08:43:52 PMQuote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 10, 2016, 08:38:12 PMFeds are taking this way to seriously.Uh, no.Uh, yeah. That they've cut of funding to NC to bully them into following their policies.Again, noAlso, it isn't "bullying" to tell a state their laws are discriminatory.I disagree.
This whole thing is retarded.
I get NC should have left well enough alone, but then we have things like Target on the other extreme.
What people seem to be forgetting is that no one is being stopped from using the bathroom, just their "preferred" bathroom. Guess what, being comfortable isn't a right.
This whole thing is retarded. It went from being a non issue to being blown out of proportion. I get NC should have left well enough alone, but then we have things like Target on the other extreme. What people seem to be forgetting is that no one is being stopped from using the bathroom, just their "preferred" bathroom. Guess what, being comfortable isn't a right. Jesus Christ, people these days and their identity politics.
Ironically reactionary babyrage towards identity politics has done more to disrupt society than any trans people ever have.
Identity politics can still get pretty bad though. Horseshoe theory is relevant in this type of situation.
Quote from: CIS on May 10, 2016, 10:36:19 PMIdentity politics can still get pretty bad though. Horseshoe theory is relevant in this type of situation.Can you explain more specifically?
Quote from: Casper on May 10, 2016, 10:11:02 PMThis whole thing is retarded.Not at all.Quote from: Casper on May 10, 2016, 10:11:02 PMI get NC should have left well enough alone, but then we have things like Target on the other extreme.North Carolina should not have been left alone with blatantly discriminatory laws, and Target is in the right in their opinion.Quote from: Casper on May 10, 2016, 10:11:02 PMWhat people seem to be forgetting is that no one is being stopped from using the bathroom, just their "preferred" bathroom. Guess what, being comfortable isn't a right.Funny - no one was stopping blacks from using the bathroom, just their preferred bathrooms. No one was stopping blacks from using the bus, just the preferred seats.Systematic discrimination against a subclass is blatantly wrong, no matter if it's something you agree with or not.
Quote from: eggsalad on May 10, 2016, 10:37:20 PMQuote from: CIS on May 10, 2016, 10:36:19 PMIdentity politics can still get pretty bad though. Horseshoe theory is relevant in this type of situation.Can you explain more specifically?I'm more just talking about stuff like this. If that's an accurate example of identity politics at work. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573220/Racist-black-Oxford-student-international-hate-figure-refusing-tip-Caucasian-waitress-refuses-defend-actions-white-media.html
Quote from: CIS on May 10, 2016, 10:40:14 PMQuote from: eggsalad on May 10, 2016, 10:37:20 PMQuote from: CIS on May 10, 2016, 10:36:19 PMIdentity politics can still get pretty bad though. Horseshoe theory is relevant in this type of situation.Can you explain more specifically?I'm more just talking about stuff like this. If that's an accurate example of identity politics at work. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573220/Racist-black-Oxford-student-international-hate-figure-refusing-tip-Caucasian-waitress-refuses-defend-actions-white-media.htmlohDoes identity politics include stuff like this? I always thought the "identity" was like "gender identity".
First of all, I don't agree that NC should have done what it did. Secondly what Target is doing is enabling people, mostly men, to abuse the rule of this. It's not because of trannies, it's because of the real perverts who take advantage of this, and yes, it is happening.
And lastly, this doesn't compare to black people or race at all, so stop right there. Trans people are not being stopped from going to the bathroom at all.
If they can get away with it because they look the part, then go right ahead, if not, then use the bathroom that corresponds with what's between your legs.
Being trans is not comparable to race in anyway. You don't get to choose to be black.
And what's more fucked up about this situation is you have performers refusing to go to NC, but they'll surer than shit play in places like the Middle East where you know damn well that you and I would be executed just for being us. So yes, this is retarded.
Quote from: Casper on May 10, 2016, 10:11:02 PMThis whole thing is retarded. It went from being a non issue to being blown out of proportion. I get NC should have left well enough alone, but then we have things like Target on the other extreme. What people seem to be forgetting is that no one is being stopped from using the bathroom, just their "preferred" bathroom. Guess what, being comfortable isn't a right. Jesus Christ, people these days and their identity politics.Have fun being a passing transman trying to follow the law here. You'll get pulled out by police until you can produce BC (this law is according to statement on your BC, not other forms of ID) or flash your genitals. For a transman to be able to use a bathroom unhindered they'd probably have to break the law by using the men's.And let's not get it started on how brutal it is to just tell transwomen to deal with the fact they have very good chances of being harassed, assaulted, or worse in men's restrooms.Ironically reactionary babyrage towards identity politics has done more to disrupt society than any trans people ever have.
Quote from: Casper on May 10, 2016, 10:43:43 PMFirst of all, I don't agree that NC should have done what it did. Secondly what Target is doing is enabling people, mostly men, to abuse the rule of this. It's not because of trannies, it's because of the real perverts who take advantage of this, and yes, it is happening. What stops a pervert from now saying he's just a transman to get in. Genital police? Gunna make everyone carry their BC with them?QuoteAnd lastly, this doesn't compare to black people or race at all, so stop right there. Trans people are not being stopped from going to the bathroom at all. Yeah they just have to worry about being removed by cops or being harassed or assaulted. Totally not undue inconveniences to just needing to defecate.Quote If they can get away with it because they look the part, then go right ahead, if not, then use the bathroom that corresponds with what's between your legs. Yeah, what a truly remarkable measure of legitimacy. Let Cletus or his hag wife decide who and doesn't look feminine enough. Like this hasn't already caused problem for cis women who look like they might be trans. There are retards out there, this rule of thumb gives them the power to turn a bathroom visit into a situation involving police.QuoteBeing trans is not comparable to race in anyway. You don't get to choose to be black. Let's just ignore the fact that it's choose to be trans or continue to wallow in extreme depression. Yeah, it's a trans person's choice to transition. About as much as it is for someone to choose to undergo chemo.QuoteAnd what's more fucked up about this situation is you have performers refusing to go to NC, but they'll surer than shit play in places like the Middle East where you know damn well that you and I would be executed just for being us. So yes, this is retarded. Agreed, but that's reason to have them boycott those bad places, not stop boycotting this bad place.
What is with all this fear mongering? And if someone is assaulted because of it, it doesn't make the assault legal.
How often are trans people actually assaulted for using the bathroom?
Quote from: Casper on May 10, 2016, 11:02:41 PM What is with all this fear mongering? And if someone is assaulted because of it, it doesn't make the assault legal.Then why is stopping perverts suddenly a huge issue? Or is some pro activeness pretty reasonable to have here? Quote How often are trans people actually assaulted for using the bathroom? http://link.springer.com/article/10.1525/srsp.2008.5.1.43http://faculty.mu.edu.sa/public/uploads/1425310920.5389violence%20transgender.pdfhttp://hrc-assets.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com//files/assets/resources/HRC-AntiTransgenderViolence-0519.pdfhttp://www.cuav.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/5954_NCAVP2009HateViolenceReportforWeb.pdfSome old, some new. All agree there are a lot of recording and reporting problems on figures. The numbers are small, but there aren't many trans people to begin with.This is just from brief review, crucify me over things if you want.
US Attorney General on the North Carolina bill
