US Attorney General on the North Carolina bill

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/05/09/loretta_lynch_defends_trans_rights_at_the_justice_department.html

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Even the attorney general is apparently involved with the fight against the bill.
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Feds are taking this way to seriously.


 
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Feds are taking this way to seriously.

Uh, no.
Uh, yeah. That they've cut of funding to NC to bully them into following their policies.


 
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Feds are taking this way to seriously.

Uh, no.
Uh, yeah. That they've cut of funding to NC to bully them into following their policies.

Again, no

Also, it isn't "bullying" to tell a state their laws are discriminatory.


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Feds are taking this way to seriously.

Uh, no.
Uh, yeah. That they've cut of funding to NC to bully them into following their policies.

Again, no

Also, it isn't "bullying" to tell a state their laws are discriminatory.
I disagree.


 
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Feds are taking this way to seriously.

Uh, no.
Uh, yeah. That they've cut of funding to NC to bully them into following their policies.

Again, no

Also, it isn't "bullying" to tell a state their laws are discriminatory.
I disagree.

You can disagree all you want. That doesn't make you right on this issue at all.


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Feds are taking this way to seriously.

Uh, no.
Uh, yeah. That they've cut of funding to NC to bully them into following their policies.
ironically the states rights crybabies tend to forget this issue spawns from NC state legislature trying to restrict local government's ability to pass legislation


 
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Feds are taking this way to seriously.

Uh, no.
Uh, yeah. That they've cut of funding to NC to bully them into following their policies.

Again, no

Also, it isn't "bullying" to tell a state their laws are discriminatory.
I disagree.
Bullying and unwarranted withholding of federal funds was the National Minimum Drinking Age Act. This is warranted interference to stop a state from breaching the recognized civil rights of a minority group.


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This whole thing is retarded.  It went from being a non issue to being blown out of proportion.  I get NC should have left well enough alone, but then we have things like Target on the other extreme.  What people seem to be forgetting is that no one is being stopped from using the bathroom, just their "preferred" bathroom.  Guess what, being comfortable isn't a right.  Jesus Christ, people these days and their identity politics.


 
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This whole thing is retarded.

Not at all.

I get NC should have left well enough alone, but then we have things like Target on the other extreme.

North Carolina should not have been left alone with blatantly discriminatory laws, and Target is in the right in their opinion.

What people seem to be forgetting is that no one is being stopped from using the bathroom, just their "preferred" bathroom.  Guess what, being comfortable isn't a right.

Funny - no one was stopping blacks from using the bathroom, just their preferred bathrooms. No one was stopping blacks from using the bus, just the preferred seats.

Systematic discrimination against a subclass is blatantly wrong, no matter if it's something you agree with or not.


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This whole thing is retarded.  It went from being a non issue to being blown out of proportion.  I get NC should have left well enough alone, but then we have things like Target on the other extreme.  What people seem to be forgetting is that no one is being stopped from using the bathroom, just their "preferred" bathroom.  Guess what, being comfortable isn't a right.  Jesus Christ, people these days and their identity politics.
Have fun being a passing transman trying to follow the law here. You'll get pulled out by police until you can produce BC (this law is according to statement on your BC, not other forms of ID) or flash your genitals. For a transman to be able to use a bathroom unhindered they'd probably have to break the law by using the men's.

And let's not get it started on how brutal it is to just tell transwomen to deal with the fact they have very good chances of being harassed, assaulted, or worse in men's restrooms.

Ironically reactionary babyrage towards identity politics has done more to disrupt society than any trans people ever have.
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Ironically reactionary babyrage towards identity politics has done more to disrupt society than any trans people ever have.

Identity politics can still get pretty bad though. Horseshoe theory is relevant in this type of situation.


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Identity politics can still get pretty bad though. Horseshoe theory is relevant in this type of situation.
Can you explain more specifically?


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Identity politics can still get pretty bad though. Horseshoe theory is relevant in this type of situation.
Can you explain more specifically?

I'm more just talking about stuff like this. If that's an accurate example of identity politics at work.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573220/Racist-black-Oxford-student-international-hate-figure-refusing-tip-Caucasian-waitress-refuses-defend-actions-white-media.html
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This whole thing is retarded.

Not at all.

I get NC should have left well enough alone, but then we have things like Target on the other extreme.

North Carolina should not have been left alone with blatantly discriminatory laws, and Target is in the right in their opinion.

What people seem to be forgetting is that no one is being stopped from using the bathroom, just their "preferred" bathroom.  Guess what, being comfortable isn't a right.

Funny - no one was stopping blacks from using the bathroom, just their preferred bathrooms. No one was stopping blacks from using the bus, just the preferred seats.

Systematic discrimination against a subclass is blatantly wrong, no matter if it's something you agree with or not.
First of all, I don't agree that NC should have done what it did.  Secondly what Target is doing is enabling people, mostly men, to abuse the rule of this.  It's not because of trannies, it's because of the real perverts who take advantage of this, and yes, it is happening.  And lastly, this doesn't compare to black people or race at all, so stop right there.  Trans people are not being stopped from going to the bathroom at all.  If they can get away with it because they look the part, then go right ahead, if not, then use the bathroom that corresponds with what's between your legs.  You don't like it, then don't go to the bathroom.  Being trans is not comparable to race in anyway.  You don't get to choose to be black.  And what's more fucked up about this situation is you have performers refusing to go to NC, but they'll surer than shit play in places like the Middle East where you know damn well that you and I would be executed just for being us.  So yes, this is retarded. 


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Identity politics can still get pretty bad though. Horseshoe theory is relevant in this type of situation.
Can you explain more specifically?

I'm more just talking about stuff like this. If that's an accurate example of identity politics at work.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573220/Racist-black-Oxford-student-international-hate-figure-refusing-tip-Caucasian-waitress-refuses-defend-actions-white-media.html
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Does identity politics include stuff like this? I always thought the "identity" was like "gender identity".


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Identity politics can still get pretty bad though. Horseshoe theory is relevant in this type of situation.
Can you explain more specifically?

I'm more just talking about stuff like this. If that's an accurate example of identity politics at work.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573220/Racist-black-Oxford-student-international-hate-figure-refusing-tip-Caucasian-waitress-refuses-defend-actions-white-media.html
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Does identity politics include stuff like this? I always thought the "identity" was like "gender identity".

I believe so.


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First of all, I don't agree that NC should have done what it did.  Secondly what Target is doing is enabling people, mostly men, to abuse the rule of this. It's not because of trannies, it's because of the real perverts who take advantage of this, and yes, it is happening.
What stops a pervert from now saying he's just a transman to get in. Genital police? Gunna make everyone carry their BC with them?

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And lastly, this doesn't compare to black people or race at all, so stop right there.  Trans people are not being stopped from going to the bathroom at all.
Yeah they just have to worry about being removed by cops or being harassed or assaulted. Totally not undue inconveniences to just needing to defecate.
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If they can get away with it because they look the part, then go right ahead, if not, then use the bathroom that corresponds with what's between your legs.
Yeah, what a truly remarkable measure of legitimacy. Let Cletus or his hag wife decide who and doesn't look feminine enough. Like this hasn't already caused problem for cis women who look like they might be trans. There are retards out there, this rule of thumb gives them the power to turn a bathroom visit into a situation involving police.

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Being trans is not comparable to race in anyway.  You don't get to choose to be black.

Let's just ignore the fact that it's choose to be trans or continue to wallow in extreme depression. Yeah, it's a trans person's choice to transition. About as much as it is for someone to choose to undergo chemo.

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And what's more fucked up about this situation is you have performers refusing to go to NC, but they'll surer than shit play in places like the Middle East where you know damn well that you and I would be executed just for being us.  So yes, this is retarded.
Agreed, but that's reason to have them boycott those bad places, not stop boycotting this bad place.
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This whole thing is retarded.  It went from being a non issue to being blown out of proportion.  I get NC should have left well enough alone, but then we have things like Target on the other extreme.  What people seem to be forgetting is that no one is being stopped from using the bathroom, just their "preferred" bathroom.  Guess what, being comfortable isn't a right.  Jesus Christ, people these days and their identity politics.
Have fun being a passing transman trying to follow the law here. You'll get pulled out by police until you can produce BC (this law is according to statement on your BC, not other forms of ID) or flash your genitals. For a transman to be able to use a bathroom unhindered they'd probably have to break the law by using the men's.

And let's not get it started on how brutal it is to just tell transwomen to deal with the fact they have very good chances of being harassed, assaulted, or worse in men's restrooms.

Ironically reactionary babyrage towards identity politics has done more to disrupt society than any trans people ever have.
This is what baffles me.  It's not because of trans people as far as I know.  They're unfortunately the ones suffering from it, though.  I'm honestly curious about where this whole thing started in NC, because I get the feeling it wasn't trans people complaining or speaking out that caused a backlash. 


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First of all, I don't agree that NC should have done what it did.  Secondly what Target is doing is enabling people, mostly men, to abuse the rule of this. It's not because of trannies, it's because of the real perverts who take advantage of this, and yes, it is happening.
What stops a pervert from now saying he's just a transman to get in. Genital police? Gunna make everyone carry their BC with them?

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And lastly, this doesn't compare to black people or race at all, so stop right there.  Trans people are not being stopped from going to the bathroom at all.
Yeah they just have to worry about being removed by cops or being harassed or assaulted. Totally not undue inconveniences to just needing to defecate.
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If they can get away with it because they look the part, then go right ahead, if not, then use the bathroom that corresponds with what's between your legs.
Yeah, what a truly remarkable measure of legitimacy. Let Cletus or his hag wife decide who and doesn't look feminine enough. Like this hasn't already caused problem for cis women who look like they might be trans. There are retards out there, this rule of thumb gives them the power to turn a bathroom visit into a situation involving police.

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Being trans is not comparable to race in anyway.  You don't get to choose to be black.

Let's just ignore the fact that it's choose to be trans or continue to wallow in extreme depression. Yeah, it's a trans person's choice to transition. About as much as it is for someone to choose to undergo chemo.

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And what's more fucked up about this situation is you have performers refusing to go to NC, but they'll surer than shit play in places like the Middle East where you know damn well that you and I would be executed just for being us.  So yes, this is retarded.
Agreed, but that's reason to have them boycott those bad places, not stop boycotting this bad place.
That's what I'm saying, no one can stop them at this point.  If you go to a Target and tell a manager or whoever that you'd prefer to use the women's room, then you can, regardless of your intent.  What is with all this feat mongering?  How often are trans people actually assaulted for using the bathroom?  And of someone is assaulted because of it, it doesn't make the assault legal.  Yeah, there are shitty people out there.  Fuck, I just got called miss at the mall on Sunday wearing a hoodie and jeans.  Stupid people exist, but how many of them go out of their way to attack someone? If you're that scared to use the bathroom, then don't.  Yeah that sucks.  I'm not saying it's right, nor do I think something shouldn't be done about it.  Something needs to be figured out, but neither NC or Target are right in what they're doing  Like I said, being comfortable isn't a right.


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What is with all this fear mongering?  And if someone is assaulted because of it, it doesn't make the assault legal.
Then why is stopping perverts suddenly a huge issue? Or is some pro activeness pretty reasonable to have here? 
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How often are trans people actually assaulted for using the bathroom?
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1525/srsp.2008.5.1.43
http://faculty.mu.edu.sa/public/uploads/1425310920.5389violence%20transgender.pdf
http://hrc-assets.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com//files/assets/resources/HRC-AntiTransgenderViolence-0519.pdf
http://www.cuav.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/5954_NCAVP2009HateViolenceReportforWeb.pdf

Some old, some new. All agree there are a lot of recording and reporting problems on figures.
The numbers are small, but there aren't many trans people to begin with.

This is just from brief review, crucify me over things if you want.
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What is with all this fear mongering?  And if someone is assaulted because of it, it doesn't make the assault legal.
Then why is stopping perverts suddenly a huge issue? Or is some pro activeness pretty reasonable to have here? 
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How often are trans people actually assaulted for using the bathroom?
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1525/srsp.2008.5.1.43
http://faculty.mu.edu.sa/public/uploads/1425310920.5389violence%20transgender.pdf
http://hrc-assets.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com//files/assets/resources/HRC-AntiTransgenderViolence-0519.pdf
http://www.cuav.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/5954_NCAVP2009HateViolenceReportforWeb.pdf

Some old, some new. All agree there are a lot of recording and reporting problems on figures.
The numbers are small, but there aren't many trans people to begin with.

This is just from brief review, crucify me over things if you want.
The pervert problem isn't trans people, it's people abusing policies like Target's that's the problem.. part of it.  Honestly, I'm not even sure what we're arguing about.  Because of course there are assault cases against trans.  But the numbers are so small, where LGBT as a whole make up roughly 5% of the population with the T at a fifth, that there was no need for this to really be an issue with NC to begin with.  I'm not for what NC did, but I'm opposed to how Target treats this.