Of course it's jarring. I just don't see why it warrants so much complaint.

Because it's jarring - that's exactly the reason.

It kills the immersion.

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Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 26, 2014, 03:37:52 PM

Of course it's jarring. I just don't see why it warrants so much complaint.

Because it's jarring - that's exactly the reason.

It kills the immersion.

If two (maybe) homosexual characters kill your immersion then I really don't know what to say to you.

I imagine it's not only that but the fact that it's an ambiguous ending (think Dexter) and the fact that the producer had to wade into the fray and confirm it.

It's not necessarily that there are two homosexual characters, it's that Turkey felt there wasn't enough development, it was too ambivalent and the involvement of the producers has made it seem like SJW pandering.

So...basically what I've been saying then. Poor characterisation. I fail to see how homosexuality pandering has to do with anything.

The Wire had a homosexual character that was pulled off extremely well. Was that pandering too?

Nobody's denying that poor characterisation is the focal point, though. The only relation it has to homosexuality is that poor characterisation with such characters tends to be worse than with homosexual characters. Especially when the producer has to wade in afterwards and confirm it because it was so ambiguous.

Literally nobody in this thread has a problem with LGBT characters if they're pulled off well.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 26, 2014, 03:55:15 PM

That doesn't seem like the narrative Turkey is going for, but perhaps I misinterpreted.

I'm pretty sure you did misinterpret.

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Could've been written better, but I have no problem with it. Surprised me at first and for the next couple of days tried to think how did this happen, but it now makes sense and I am okay with it.

i thought it was pretty obvious, i mean there were all those over-reaction/over-analyzed images in the LoK thread in The Flood, but... since season 3...

From what I've seen, it was more the lack of a build up to that. Up until the ending, the entire relationship was "Asami gives good advice, good friends who both like the same guy". The suddenly, they love each other. With Aang and Korra, the build was more obvious and I also understand that certain factors limited the producers ability to build a homosexual relationship with the titular character. But a little more build instead of just "they are in love" in an already ambiguous ending would have smoothed out all this commotion.

Hell, the fact that they had to go out and declare it after the show ended supports the fact that it's "how", not "what" that people are upset about.

Where in the show was it states they love each other? He show did not end with "yo we in love now we be havin gay sex 24/7"

No it ended on a ligh-hearted note with them beginning their relationship. Please tell me how many relationships you go into where you blatantly love the person, which is not what happened here.

Quote from: D4C on December 27, 2014, 01:00:09 PM

From what I've seen, it was more the lack of a build up to that. Up until the ending, the entire relationship was "Asami gives good advice, good friends who both like the same guy". The suddenly, they love each other. With Aang and Korra, the build was more obvious and I also understand that certain factors limited the producers ability to build a homosexual relationship with the titular character. But a little more build instead of just "they are in love" in an already ambiguous ending would have smoothed out all this commotion.

Hell, the fact that they had to go out and declare it after the show ended supports the fact that it's "how", not "what" that people are upset about.

Where in the show was it states they love each other? He show did not end with "yo we in love now we be havin gay sex 24/7"

No it ended on a ligh-hearted note with them beginning their relationship. Please tell me how many relationships you go into where you blatantly love the person, which is not what happened here.

I'm not saying there should have been some flashing neon sign saying "GAY SEX IN THE SPIRIT WORLD, TRAIN FOR 2".

You don't go into a relationship just because, you do it because there's some kind of mutual attraction. There's an attraction between them, and that's not the problem. It's that they did such a piss-poor job of showing that there was that development into their final relationship that the producers had to come out and say, "yes, it's a romantic relationship". If they did the job right, they wouldn't have had to do that.

And I'm not just saying that they sick at their jobs. They were facing huge budget cuts and they had to make sacrifices, and one of the biggest complaints in the first two seasons was that it had too much of a romance focus. But their solution was to tone back the romance so far that the ending came out of left-field.

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Quote from: D4C on December 27, 2014, 01:00:09 PM

From what I've seen, it was more the lack of a build up to that. Up until the ending, the entire relationship was "Asami gives good advice, good friends who both like the same guy". The suddenly, they love each other. With Aang and Korra, the build was more obvious and I also understand that certain factors limited the producers ability to build a homosexual relationship with the titular character. But a little more build instead of just "they are in love" in an already ambiguous ending would have smoothed out all this commotion.

Hell, the fact that they had to go out and declare it after the show ended supports the fact that it's "how", not "what" that people are upset about.

Where in the show was it states they love each other? He show did not end with "yo we in love now we be havin gay sex 24/7"

No it ended on a ligh-hearted note with them beginning their relationship. Please tell me how many relationships you go into where you blatantly love the person, which is not what happened here.

I'm not saying there should have been some flashing neon sign saying "GAY SEX IN THE SPIRIT WORLD, TRAIN FOR 2".

You don't go into a relationship just because, you do it because there's some kind of mutual attraction. There's an attraction between them, and that's not the problem. It's that they did such a piss-poor job of showing that there was that development into their final relationship that the producers had to come out and say, "yes, it's a romantic relationship". If they did the job right, they wouldn't have had to do that.

And I'm not just saying that they sick at their jobs. They were facing huge budget cuts and they had to make sacrifices, and one of the biggest complaints in the first two seasons was that it had too much of a romance focus. But their solution was to tone back the romance so far that the ending came out of left-field.

I don't recall seeing anyone confused about the ending. Everyone knew what the ending meant well before they confirmed it since it wasn't confirmed in the show. Do you really think Nick would let them confirm it by letting them kiss or state it? It Nick bruh. Instead they had to heavily imply it and it worked out fine, everyone knew what they were going for.

If there was no confusion, they wouldn't have had to confirm it. And I've already said that I know their options were limited, and their budget was cut so it's not like they could do everything they might have had planned. All I'm saying is that there should have been more development than "Korra blushes when Asami complements her hair that one time". There needed to be more than just "we're friends, now we're more". That's why some idiots are crying pandering, because it was a gunshot development.

also, let me just clarify that pandering isn't inherently a bad thing

but it is pandering

it's just a matter of how much you care

Right. But I mean, then there's the issue of, you know, lines. Where do you draw the line between an acceptable amount of romance and not enough romance?

Me, personally, I'd do away with romance stories entirely--they're stupid and dumb and only serve to piss a lot of people off, it seems. Fucking Naruto, anyone? I fucking hate Naruto, and even I was pissed off when I heard that So, fuck all this romance shit. It's a cliche, needless plot device that will never die.