Our intention with the last scene was to make it as clear as possible that yes, Korra and Asami have romantic feelings for each other. The moment where they enter the spirit portal symbolizes their evolution from being friends to being a couple. Many news outlets, bloggers, and fans picked up on this and didn't find it ambiguous. For the most part, it seems like the point of the scene was understood and additional commentary wasn't really needed from Bryan or me. But in case people were still questioning what happened in the last scene, I wanted to make a clear verbal statement to complement the show's visual one. http://kotaku.com/legend-of-korra-creators-ending-was-what-you-thought-1674345784
So why is this in Serious?
Is it just me or are the more conservative members the only folks complaining?
Be honest here, would you care if the same thing had happened with Korra and a male character? Would you be calling it bad writing or shoehorning of an unnecessary romance either way?
But really, when you compare the relationship algebra insanity to the far more interesting plotlines and the themes they covered with it, it's not hard to guess where my personal interest lies.Probably my biggest irk with S4 though, was how they seemed to produce a Titan out of thin air. That was a bit too... ehh, but it did give a much more creative implementation of the super-weapon (The nuclear bomb/spirit vine energy weapon parallels were brilliant)Amon is still the best though*unfurls equalist banner*>_>
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Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 26, 2014, 09:17:46 AMBut really, when you compare the relationship algebra insanity to the far more interesting plotlines and the themes they covered with it, it's not hard to guess where my personal interest lies.Probably my biggest irk with S4 though, was how they seemed to produce a Titan out of thin air. That was a bit too... ehh, but it did give a much more creative implementation of the super-weapon (The nuclear bomb/spirit vine energy weapon parallels were brilliant)Amon is still the best though*unfurls equalist banner*>_>Amon was awesome. That Titan was weird, though. They implied it was made from the domes of that metal-bending city, but then apparently the entire thing was made of platinum, too, and I have no idea how they got that much. I'm glad they didn't turn it into another Kaiju fight, but I wonder why Korra didn't just do that anyway. And the spirit-energy bending would have been pretty useful earlier, since we already knew she could do it pretty well.
Why does everyone kick up a fuss when homosexual characters are introduced? Can you not just chalk it up to poor characterization if you take such an issue with it?
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Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 26, 2014, 02:09:19 PMWhy does everyone kick up a fuss when homosexual characters are introduced? Can you not just chalk it up to poor characterization if you take such an issue with it?Did you read the OP? Poor characterization is the complaint, not bisexual characters.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 26, 2014, 02:09:19 PMWhy does everyone kick up a fuss when homosexual characters are introduced? Can you not just chalk it up to poor characterization if you take such an issue with it?How come whenever someone tries to bring up something they think may be shoehorning or tokenism they get labeled as whatever negative association that's related towards the subject material?Shoehorning and tokenism are poor characterization. However talking about this poor characterization often leads to cries or racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, et cetera.Do I think Korra being bisexual was shoehorning? No. It was something that was hinted at for about 2 seasons so it had some build up. Her sexuality wasn't even what defined her, if you were to ask someone "What are the defining traits of Korra?", her being bisexual wouldn't be on that list in all likelihood. Therefore tokenism is also avoided.However I also happen to sit on the opposite side of Turkey on this issue. Unlike certain other people I don't start implying that he's some sort of homophobe and am open to discussing the way he's interpreting this.
Quote from: LC on December 26, 2014, 02:55:58 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 26, 2014, 02:09:19 PMWhy does everyone kick up a fuss when homosexual characters are introduced? Can you not just chalk it up to poor characterization if you take such an issue with it?How come whenever someone tries to bring up something they think may be shoehorning or tokenism they get labeled as whatever negative association that's related towards the subject material?Shoehorning and tokenism are poor characterization. However talking about this poor characterization often leads to cries or racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, et cetera.Do I think Korra being bisexual was shoehorning? No. It was something that was hinted at for about 2 seasons so it had some build up. Her sexuality wasn't even what defined her, if you were to ask someone "What are the defining traits of Korra?", her being bisexual wouldn't be on that list in all likelihood. Therefore tokenism is also avoided.However I also happen to sit on the opposite side of Turkey on this issue. Unlike certain other people I don't start implying that he's some sort of homophobe and am open to discussing the way he's interpreting this.That's the thing. It doesn't seem like tokenism. It sounds like bad writing and characterization to me, not shoehorning lesbians in to appeal to the LGBT's. There's a very stark difference.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 26, 2014, 03:03:35 PMQuote from: LC on December 26, 2014, 02:55:58 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 26, 2014, 02:09:19 PMWhy does everyone kick up a fuss when homosexual characters are introduced? Can you not just chalk it up to poor characterization if you take such an issue with it?How come whenever someone tries to bring up something they think may be shoehorning or tokenism they get labeled as whatever negative association that's related towards the subject material?Shoehorning and tokenism are poor characterization. However talking about this poor characterization often leads to cries or racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, et cetera.Do I think Korra being bisexual was shoehorning? No. It was something that was hinted at for about 2 seasons so it had some build up. Her sexuality wasn't even what defined her, if you were to ask someone "What are the defining traits of Korra?", her being bisexual wouldn't be on that list in all likelihood. Therefore tokenism is also avoided.However I also happen to sit on the opposite side of Turkey on this issue. Unlike certain other people I don't start implying that he's some sort of homophobe and am open to discussing the way he's interpreting this.That's the thing. It doesn't seem like tokenism. It sounds like bad writing and characterization to me, not shoehorning lesbians in to appeal to the LGBT's. There's a very stark difference......Did you read what I posted? I said that it avoids being tokenism and it doesn't feel like shoehorning since it didn't come out of nowhere. It had subtlety been built up over two seasons. However I can see why someone might feel it's shoehorning as they could have missed that subtle build up I was talking about and that's why I'm not instantly pointing the homophobe finger at people who take issue with it.Tokenism and shoehorning are bad writing and characterization. They always have been. You're just trying to make trukey out as some sort of closet homophobe now.
Quote from: LC on December 26, 2014, 03:08:33 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 26, 2014, 03:03:35 PMQuote from: LC on December 26, 2014, 02:55:58 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 26, 2014, 02:09:19 PMWhy does everyone kick up a fuss when homosexual characters are introduced? Can you not just chalk it up to poor characterization if you take such an issue with it?How come whenever someone tries to bring up something they think may be shoehorning or tokenism they get labeled as whatever negative association that's related towards the subject material?Shoehorning and tokenism are poor characterization. However talking about this poor characterization often leads to cries or racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, et cetera.Do I think Korra being bisexual was shoehorning? No. It was something that was hinted at for about 2 seasons so it had some build up. Her sexuality wasn't even what defined her, if you were to ask someone "What are the defining traits of Korra?", her being bisexual wouldn't be on that list in all likelihood. Therefore tokenism is also avoided.However I also happen to sit on the opposite side of Turkey on this issue. Unlike certain other people I don't start implying that he's some sort of homophobe and am open to discussing the way he's interpreting this.That's the thing. It doesn't seem like tokenism. It sounds like bad writing and characterization to me, not shoehorning lesbians in to appeal to the LGBT's. There's a very stark difference......Did you read what I posted? I said that it avoids being tokenism and it doesn't feel like shoehorning since it didn't come out of nowhere. It had subtlety been built up over two seasons. However I can see why someone might feel it's shoehorning as they could have missed that subtle build up I was talking about and that's why I'm not instantly pointing the homophobe finger at people who take issue with it.Tokenism and shoehorning are bad writing and characterization. They always have been. You're just trying to make trukey out as some sort of closet homophobe now.I'm not calling anyone a homophobe. I just find it funny that whenever a slight semblance of a homosexual character is introduced, people throw their toys out the pram and come up with pathetic excuses like 'shoehorning.' If you think it's bad characterisation that's fine, but I somehow really doubt you'd kick up such a fuss if it was two heterosexual characters.
I'm not calling anyone a homophobe. I just find it funny that whenever a slight semblance of a homosexual character is introduced, people throw their toys out the pram and come up with pathetic excuses like 'shoehorning.' If you think it's bad characterisation that's fine, but I somehow really doubt you'd kick up such a fuss if it was two heterosexual characters.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 26, 2014, 03:27:40 PMI'm not calling anyone a homophobe. I just find it funny that whenever a slight semblance of a homosexual character is introduced, people throw their toys out the pram and come up with pathetic excuses like 'shoehorning.' If you think it's bad characterisation that's fine, but I somehow really doubt you'd kick up such a fuss if it was two heterosexual characters.And why should they? I'd expect people to complain if they were heterosexual and it wasn't hinted at, but I'd expect them to complain more if it was bi or homosexual. Such people are in the minority, so it's only natural for people to desire a more explicit build-up when it's part of a character's personality. It just seems more natural for viewers to see a male and female character hook-up, so when that tradition is broken abruptly, of course it's going to provoke more ire.
Legend of Korra ending Asami rumors confirmed
