Lead gunman of recent terror attack in Texas previous terror suspect

Not Comms Officer · May 05, 2015, 01:39:39 AM

Apparently, this guy's attack wasn't quite as spontaneous as I had previously thought.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32582704

But that's now replaced with the point that this guy was previously on a terror watchlist and had previously attempted to go over to Somalia to likely join al-Shabaab (al-Qaeda affiliate in Somalia).

So why the fuck was a terror suspect allowed to have any sort of guns, let alone assault rifles? Even if he were keeping them illegally in his apartment, why was there no investigation towards that? I don't get it.

Regardless of your opinions, what this article does show is that counter-terrorism is a bitch.

More Than Mortal · May 05, 2015, 01:44:52 AM

Goddamn.

Not Comms Officer · May 05, 2015, 01:49:18 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on May 05, 2015, 01:44:52 AM

Goddamn.

There are a lot of things to say "Goddamn" to in this article.

Azumarill · May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM

fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.

Not Comms Officer · May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM

fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.

"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."

Mat Cauthon · May 05, 2015, 03:07:08 AM

Mah freedums.

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DAS B00T x2 · May 05, 2015, 05:35:30 AM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."

well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?

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Not Comms Officer · May 05, 2015, 09:29:37 AM

Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 05:35:30 AM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?

Yes?

But of course clamping down on guns in Texas would cause a media outrage there even if it were against a guy who tried to join al-Shabaab.

Naru · May 05, 2015, 11:01:03 AM

lol at ISIS claiming responsibility

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/05/us/garland-texas-prophet-mohammed-contest-shooting/

DAS B00T x2 · May 05, 2015, 11:02:58 AM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 09:29:37 AM

Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 05:35:30 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?
Yes?

But of course clamping down on guns in Texas would cause a media outrage there even if it were against a guy who tried to join al-Shabaab.

And who in their right mind would answer yes to officers asking that?

King pesto · May 05, 2015, 11:58:26 AM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 09:29:37 AM

Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 05:35:30 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?
Yes?

But of course clamping down on guns in Texas would cause a media outrage there even if it were against a guy who tried to join al-Shabaab.

If he was on a terror watchlist he was more than likely not legally able to own one. I can't think of any reason a person not allowed to go to a certain region is allowed to own guns. It seems like a really obvious thing that nobody would overlook.

Also, if they were actual assault rifles (select-fire weapons), and not just semi-automatic rifles with a dash of propaganda mixed in, there is absolutely no way they were legally obtained.

DAS B00T x2 · May 05, 2015, 12:32:56 PM

I would be willing to bet a significant amount of money that the man never owned an assault rifle in his life. To know if he had obtained the weapons legally we would need to know the date of purchase, the date he became watched and would probably fail a background check, and Texas firearm purchasing law.
I know none of these things.

Not Comms Officer · May 05, 2015, 04:47:16 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 11:02:58 AM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 09:29:37 AM
Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 05:35:30 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?
Yes?

But of course clamping down on guns in Texas would cause a media outrage there even if it were against a guy who tried to join al-Shabaab.
And who in their right mind would answer yes to officers asking that?

Or y'know, obtain a search warrant for weapons?

DAS B00T x2 · May 05, 2015, 04:48:28 PM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 04:47:16 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 09:29:37 AM
Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 05:35:30 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?
Yes?

But of course clamping down on guns in Texas would cause a media outrage there even if it were against a guy who tried to join al-Shabaab.
And who in their right mind would answer yes to officers asking that?
Or y'know, obtain a search warrant for weapons?

But what if he obtained those weapons legally?

Not Comms Officer · May 05, 2015, 04:50:08 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 04:48:28 PM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 04:47:16 PM
Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 09:29:37 AM
Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 05:35:30 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?
Yes?

But of course clamping down on guns in Texas would cause a media outrage there even if it were against a guy who tried to join al-Shabaab.
And who in their right mind would answer yes to officers asking that?
Or y'know, obtain a search warrant for weapons?
But what if he obtained those weapons legally?

Lol, he's a frickin' terror suspect. Why would terror suspects be allowed to own assault rifles?

DAS B00T x2 · May 05, 2015, 04:52:39 PM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 04:50:08 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 04:48:28 PM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 04:47:16 PM
Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 09:29:37 AM
Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 05:35:30 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?
Yes?

But of course clamping down on guns in Texas would cause a media outrage there even if it were against a guy who tried to join al-Shabaab.
And who in their right mind would answer yes to officers asking that?
Or y'know, obtain a search warrant for weapons?
But what if he obtained those weapons legally?
Lol, he's a frickin' terror suspect. Why would terror suspects be allowed to own assault rifles?

Shall not be infringed.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · May 05, 2015, 07:05:24 PM

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Not Comms Officer · May 05, 2015, 07:09:35 PM

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Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 05:35:30 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?
Yes?

But of course clamping down on guns in Texas would cause a media outrage there even if it were against a guy who tried to join al-Shabaab.
And who in their right mind would answer yes to officers asking that?
Or y'know, obtain a search warrant for weapons?
But what if he obtained those weapons legally?
Lol, he's a frickin' terror suspect. Why would terror suspects be allowed to own assault rifles?
Again, I really doubt these were assault rifles. They are extremely difficult to obtain legally and the cost means they are only accessible to the richest of douchebags who treat them like classic cars.

Or, y'know. Any weapons in general...

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · May 05, 2015, 07:17:48 PM

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Not Comms Officer · May 05, 2015, 07:30:18 PM

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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?
Yes?

But of course clamping down on guns in Texas would cause a media outrage there even if it were against a guy who tried to join al-Shabaab.
And who in their right mind would answer yes to officers asking that?
Or y'know, obtain a search warrant for weapons?
But what if he obtained those weapons legally?
Lol, he's a frickin' terror suspect. Why would terror suspects be allowed to own assault rifles?
Again, I really doubt these were assault rifles. They are extremely difficult to obtain legally and the cost means they are only accessible to the richest of douchebags who treat them like classic cars.
Or, y'know. Any weapons in general...
Because people can end up on watchlists for all kinds of stupid reasons. Anti-war activists have been put on no-fly lists. You cannot deprive a person of a natural right for something they are merely suspected of.

If this guy did legally obtain guns, and the organization supposed to be monitoring him did not begin taking steps to prevent them from being used, the blood is on their hands.

Where did you get that from? Infowars.com?

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Not Comms Officer · May 05, 2015, 07:37:17 PM

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Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?
Yes?

But of course clamping down on guns in Texas would cause a media outrage there even if it were against a guy who tried to join al-Shabaab.
And who in their right mind would answer yes to officers asking that?
Or y'know, obtain a search warrant for weapons?
But what if he obtained those weapons legally?
Lol, he's a frickin' terror suspect. Why would terror suspects be allowed to own assault rifles?
Again, I really doubt these were assault rifles. They are extremely difficult to obtain legally and the cost means they are only accessible to the richest of douchebags who treat them like classic cars.
Or, y'know. Any weapons in general...
Because people can end up on watchlists for all kinds of stupid reasons. Anti-war activists have been put on no-fly lists. You cannot deprive a person of a natural right for something they are merely suspected of.

If this guy did legally obtain guns, and the organization supposed to be monitoring him did not begin taking steps to prevent them from being used, the blood is on their hands.
Where did you get that from? Infowars.com?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-antiwar-activists-hit-by-secret-airport-ban-98814.html

So why should this mean that terror suspects can be allowed to possess weapons to begin with?

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Forgewolf · May 05, 2015, 08:03:49 PM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."

I think they are purposely being lazy like this to try and convince the public about banning guns one day.

Not Comms Officer · May 05, 2015, 08:04:37 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on May 05, 2015, 08:03:49 PM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
I think they are purposely being lazy like this to try and convince the public about banning guns one day.

DA CONSPIRACY!!

INFOWARS.COM

Not Comms Officer · May 05, 2015, 08:04:55 PM

Quote from: Arm The Mob on May 05, 2015, 08:03:48 PM

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Quote from: DAS B00T DAS B00T on May 05, 2015, 05:35:30 AM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 05, 2015, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 05, 2015, 02:37:22 AM
fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?
Yes?

But of course clamping down on guns in Texas would cause a media outrage there even if it were against a guy who tried to join al-Shabaab.
And who in their right mind would answer yes to officers asking that?
Or y'know, obtain a search warrant for weapons?
But what if he obtained those weapons legally?
Lol, he's a frickin' terror suspect. Why would terror suspects be allowed to own assault rifles?
Again, I really doubt these were assault rifles. They are extremely difficult to obtain legally and the cost means they are only accessible to the richest of douchebags who treat them like classic cars.
Or, y'know. Any weapons in general...
Because people can end up on watchlists for all kinds of stupid reasons. Anti-war activists have been put on no-fly lists. You cannot deprive a person of a natural right for something they are merely suspected of.

If this guy did legally obtain guns, and the organization supposed to be monitoring him did not begin taking steps to prevent them from being used, the blood is on their hands.
Where did you get that from? Infowars.com?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-antiwar-activists-hit-by-secret-airport-ban-98814.html
So why should this mean that terror suspects can be allowed to possess weapons to begin with?
Because they are suspects, not perpetrators. Just because someone looks scary does not make them an actual threat.

Lol, this guy tried to join al-Qaeda in Somalia.

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Not Comms Officer · May 05, 2015, 08:08:37 PM

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fat load of good all this domestic spying is doing, eh? NSA might as well be captain hindsight.
"Hey, so this guy we're watching who tried to join al-Shabaab suddenly acquired two assault rifles. Let's sit here and do nothing about it."
well what are they gonna do? Knock on his door and ask if he's planning on shooting up Americans in the name of Allah with those rifles?
Yes?

But of course clamping down on guns in Texas would cause a media outrage there even if it were against a guy who tried to join al-Shabaab.
And who in their right mind would answer yes to officers asking that?
Or y'know, obtain a search warrant for weapons?
But what if he obtained those weapons legally?
Lol, he's a frickin' terror suspect. Why would terror suspects be allowed to own assault rifles?
Again, I really doubt these were assault rifles. They are extremely difficult to obtain legally and the cost means they are only accessible to the richest of douchebags who treat them like classic cars.
Or, y'know. Any weapons in general...
Because people can end up on watchlists for all kinds of stupid reasons. Anti-war activists have been put on no-fly lists. You cannot deprive a person of a natural right for something they are merely suspected of.

If this guy did legally obtain guns, and the organization supposed to be monitoring him did not begin taking steps to prevent them from being used, the blood is on their hands.
Where did you get that from? Infowars.com?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-antiwar-activists-hit-by-secret-airport-ban-98814.html
So why should this mean that terror suspects can be allowed to possess weapons to begin with?
Because they are suspects, not perpetrators. Just because someone looks scary does not make them an actual threat.
Lol, this guy tried to join al-Qaeda in Somalia.
I think that would make someone slightly more than suspect. If actively attempting to join these groups does not constitute a crime what's the fucking point of monitoring them? Just wait for them to fuck somebody's shit up?

That's the problem. They were just sitting there and monitoring him rather than taking action about it.