Kim Davis Ordered Jailed in Kentucky Gay Marriage DisputeBy ALAN BLINDER SEPT. 3, 2015 ASHLAND, Ky. — A federal judge here on Thursday ordered a Kentucky clerk jailed for contempt of court because of her refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.The clerk, Kim Davis of Rowan County, was ordered incarcerated after a hearing here before Judge David L. Bunning of Federal District Court. The contempt finding was another legal defeat for Ms. Davis, who has argued that she should not be forced to issue licenses that conflict with her religious beliefs.“The court cannot condone the willful disobedience of its lawfully issued order,” Judge Bunning said. “If you give people the opportunity to choose which orders they follow, that’s what potentially causes problems.”Judge Bunning said Ms. Davis would be released once she agreed to comply with his order and issue the marriage licenses.On Monday, the Supreme Court turned down Ms. Davis’s appeal of an Aug. 12 ruling by Judge Bunning directing her to issue marriage licenses. The justices’ decision was expected to clear the way for same-sex marriages in Rowan County. But on Tuesday, the clerk and her employees again refused to issue licenses in Morehead, the seat of Rowan County.Within hours lawyers for the couples who had initially sued Ms. Davis asked Judge Bunning to hold her in contempt. “Because Davis cannot show either that she is unable to comply with the Aug. 12, 2015, order or that she has taken all reasonable steps to comply,” the lawyers wrote, “this court is left with no choice but to hold her in contempt.”The lawyers, who argued that Ms. Davis “continues to collect compensation from the Commonwealth for duties she fails to perform,” asked Judge Bunning to fine the clerk, but not to jail her.On Wednesday, when Ms. Davis again turned down a gay couple’s request for a license, the clerk’s lawyers argued that she should not be held in contempt, in part because it would breach her right to due process. They asked Judge Bunning to grant an injunction pending another appeal.Supporters and opponents of Ms. Davis gathered outside the federal courthouse here hours before she was due to appear. One man waved a rainbow flag — a symbol of the gay rights movement — while another clutched a flag that said, “Liberty.”“We’re supporters of the rule of the law,” said David Wills, a computer programmer from West Virginia who was first in line and said he had arrived at 4 a.m. for a hearing scheduled to begin seven hours later. “It’s just really important to me that people be treated equally, fairly.”Ms. Davis’s supporters, prepared with an ice chest filled with water, also gathered ahead of a hearing they called critical to protecting religious liberty in Kentucky and elsewhere.“They’re taking rights away from Christians,” Danny Kinder, a 73-year-old retiree from Morehead, said of the courts. “They’ve overstepped their bounds.”He declined to predict the outcome of Thursday’s hearing and what would happen to Ms. Davis.“I’ve been praying about it, and we just have to turn it over to the Lord,” he said. “She has got to stand for what she believes, and I have to stand for what I believe, and I’m behind her 100 percent.”
I'm confused. Does she work for the county or is this a private business? Because if it's the latter then it is indeed, an infringement of religious liberty.
Quote from: 外ギン AVIATION on September 03, 2015, 01:20:10 PMI'm confused. Does she work for the county or is this a private business? Because if it's the latter then it is indeed, an infringement of religious liberty.> Separation of court and religion.
I actually work with people who fully support her action and believe that she's entirely within her rights.
Quote from: Kitsunekun on September 03, 2015, 02:43:13 PMQuote from: 外ギン AVIATION on September 03, 2015, 01:20:10 PMI'm confused. Does she work for the county or is this a private business? Because if it's the latter then it is indeed, an infringement of religious liberty.> Separation of court and religion.They don't have county clerks in Europe so he was asking if its a government employed position or a private businessAlso it's church and state.
Not sure what the europoor equivalent would be
http://www.wmur.com/politics/mike-huckabee-to-visit-kim-davis-in-jail/35151664
Kentucky's Religious Freedom Restoration Act
Quote from: Fagcicle on September 08, 2015, 01:23:41 PMShe's been released.Isn't on the condition that she not interfere with her deputy clerks issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples otherwise she'll go back?
She's been released.
Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 08, 2015, 01:31:11 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on September 08, 2015, 01:23:41 PMShe's been released.Isn't on the condition that she not interfere with her deputy clerks issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples otherwise she'll go back?Pretty much. We'll see how that goes.
She wasn't deterred when she was threatened with jail - I doubt it'll change
Quote from: Fagcicle on September 08, 2015, 01:42:25 PMShe wasn't deterred when she was threatened with jail - I doubt it'll changeI don't understand why they just can't fire her. I mean that's what usually happens when you don't do your job correctly.
Quote from: Thunder on September 08, 2015, 01:46:19 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on September 08, 2015, 01:42:25 PMShe wasn't deterred when she was threatened with jail - I doubt it'll changeI don't understand why they just can't fire her. I mean that's what usually happens when you don't do your job correctly.It's complicated.As a clerk, which is an elected position, Davis cannot be "fired" in the normal sense, as she has no boss. In order for her to be removed from the office, she would need to be impeached by the Kentucky Legislature, or have charges of misconduct brought against her by the Attorney General.