Just got out of mandatory trans-awareness training

Turkey | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: Viva Redemption
PSN: HurtfulTurkey
Steam: HurtfulTurkey
ID: HurtfulTurkey
IP: Logged

8,077 posts
 
So starting July 1, the US military will be completely open to transpeople. It currently is now for those currently serving, but recruiting begins then.

It was super boring, but here are a few things that stood out:

-In the database of personnel files, there will be one sex identifier: "gender marker", rather than two (one for sex, one for gender). I assume medical records have an extra entry for biological sex.
-Tricare will pay for treatment, including hormone therapy and potentially sex reassignment surgery
-In order to be considered a different gender, and have one's gender marker changed, that person must be diagnosed with gender dysphoria by a DoD doctor
-Transgenderism is considered a medical condition/disorder, and is synonymous with gender dysphoria
-Upon completion of the treatment/transition period, the person has a certain amount of time until they switch to their new gender's regulations (fitness, uniforms, grooming)
-Stuff like bathrooms were easy: you use the facilities dictated by your gender marker.

It was unclear how much treatment is required to change one's gender marker. It seems very bizarre for a FtM to be held to male fitness standards when they possess, ostensibly, no male traits beside some ephemeral social/personality characteristics. I also thought it was unusual that the DoD considers transpeople as being afflicted with gender dysphoria; I was under the impression the current social (not medical) consensus is that not all transpeople are dysphoric. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyways, there was some other stuff but this info stood out as noteworthy. Overall the emphasis was on being respectful to transpeople. Thoughts?


 
challengerX
| custom title
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: challengerX
IP: Logged

41,942 posts
I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


eggsalad | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: eggsalad
ID: eggsalad
IP: Logged

2,495 posts
 
Not military but as a trans person everything seems perfectly fair.

Quote
In the database of personnel files, there will be one sex identifier: "gender marker", rather than two (one for sex, one for gender). I assume medical records have an extra entry for biological sex.

At first I didn't like the idea of removing the different identifications on paperwork, because generally I'm tired of paperwork that only asks for sex, but I think what that was intended to do was help reduce discrimination, or at least perceived discrimination when the identification markers can clearly identify someone as trans.

Quote
Transgenderism is considered a medical condition/disorder, and is synonymous with gender dysphoria

"Transgenderism" is kind of a shit term. There's no real consensus on what it precisely means. Maybe I've just heard too many retards try to imply there is a school of thought tied to the idea of believing people can be transgender, but honestly the word is like saying "gayism".

I'm not sure what the definition entails, sometimes when you define something as a condition people use it as means to remove the patient's agency or credibility. Otherwise I suppose it's fine to consider being transgender a medical condition.

Quote
It seems very bizarre for a FtM to be held to male fitness standards when they possess, ostensibly, no male traits

You realize transmen take testosterone correct? I don't know the timeline, but probably a year after starting T, I'd imagine they'd at least be at the base line of males for a long of things.

Kind of brings up why men and women have different standards to begin with, but that's a different subject.

Quote
In order to be considered a different gender, and have one's gender marker changed, that person must be diagnosed with gender dysphoria by a DoD doctor

This could be problematic. I haven't a clue about how physicians in the military operate but people can get stonewalled by physicians all the time for completely arbitrary reasons. I would hope these doctors can't arbitrarily decide to ignore recommendations from outside or past diagnoses.
Last Edit: January 20, 2017, 04:10:32 PM by eggsalad


 
challengerX
| custom title
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: challengerX
IP: Logged

41,942 posts
I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


eggsalad | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: eggsalad
ID: eggsalad
IP: Logged

2,495 posts
 
MtF.


Mattie G Indahouse | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: BerzerkCommando
PSN: BerzerkCommando
Steam: BerzerkCommando
ID: BerzerkCommando
IP: Logged

9,047 posts
Did he say glass of juice or gas the Jews?
πŸ‘ΆπŸ½:h..

πŸ‘¨πŸ½:honey, he's gonna say his first words

πŸ‘©πŸ½:!!

πŸ‘ΆπŸ½:hhh...

πŸ‘ΆπŸ½:here come dat boi 🐸!

πŸ‘¨πŸ½:o shit waddup πŸ˜‚πŸ’―

πŸ‘©πŸ½:πŸ’”
People with mood disorders can't join up so why should transgender people be allowed to when they also have a mental disorder or illness? I know transgenders aren't the same thing as bipolar people but they still have a mental illness.
Last Edit: January 20, 2017, 04:11:58 PM by Romanes eunt domus


 
challengerX
| custom title
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: challengerX
IP: Logged

41,942 posts
I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


eggsalad | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: eggsalad
ID: eggsalad
IP: Logged

2,495 posts
 
^ off topic


People with mood disorders can't join up so why should transgender people be allowed to when they have a mental disorder or illness as well? I know transgenders aren't bipolar but they still have a mental disorder.
Usually the manifested symptom of dysphoria is depression. You can boot them for depression. If they don't have depression there isn't really any disruption of their function.
Last Edit: January 20, 2017, 04:15:12 PM by eggsalad


Turkey | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: Viva Redemption
PSN: HurtfulTurkey
Steam: HurtfulTurkey
ID: HurtfulTurkey
IP: Logged

8,077 posts
 

Quote
It seems very bizarre for a FtM to be held to male fitness standards when they possess, ostensibly, no male traits

You realize transmen take testosterone correct?

Are they only trans if they're undergoing hormone therapy? The training seemed to imply treatment would vary and it isn't strictly necessary to take hormones or get surgery to change gender markers.


Mattie G Indahouse | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: BerzerkCommando
PSN: BerzerkCommando
Steam: BerzerkCommando
ID: BerzerkCommando
IP: Logged

9,047 posts
Did he say glass of juice or gas the Jews?
πŸ‘ΆπŸ½:h..

πŸ‘¨πŸ½:honey, he's gonna say his first words

πŸ‘©πŸ½:!!

πŸ‘ΆπŸ½:hhh...

πŸ‘ΆπŸ½:here come dat boi 🐸!

πŸ‘¨πŸ½:o shit waddup πŸ˜‚πŸ’―

πŸ‘©πŸ½:πŸ’”
People with mood disorders can't join up so why should transgender people be allowed to when they have a mental disorder or illness as well? I know transgenders aren't bipolar but they still have a mental disorder.
Because it has no affect on the ability to function properly as a person.
It doesn't matter, it's still a mental illness which can cause problems as well. The military already has a high suicide rate for normal people. So combat or whatever driving somebody close to the edge would be even worse for someone who thinks they were born in the wrong body. I'm somewhat going to repeat myself, but transgenders have a high suicidal percentage, so combat is not going to help out their state of mind when they're being depressed about being born in the wrong body. 


Alpha | Respected Posting Frenzy
 
more |
XBL: alpha2224
PSN: alpha2224
Steam: Alpha_2224
ID: Alpha
IP: Logged

443 posts
 
Hopefully Trump stops this catering to mental illness.


eggsalad | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: eggsalad
ID: eggsalad
IP: Logged

2,495 posts
 

Quote
It seems very bizarre for a FtM to be held to male fitness standards when they possess, ostensibly, no male traits

You realize transmen take testosterone correct?

Are they only trans if they're undergoing hormone therapy? The training seemed to imply treatment would vary and it isn't strictly necessary to take hormones or get surgery to change gender markers.

I guess that's a whole other can of worms. Most trans people get HRT, and most who don't do so because of inability. I personally think HRT should be required, but I guess there are some people who just naturally pass or are functionally close to the opposite sex, I suppose that's where intersexuality enters the conversation. It's almost impossible to accurately blanket this stuff, and there are so few cases it might just be better dealt with case-by-case with assessment of someone's capabilities.


eggsalad | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: eggsalad
ID: eggsalad
IP: Logged

2,495 posts
 
People with mood disorders can't join up so why should transgender people be allowed to when they have a mental disorder or illness as well? I know transgenders aren't bipolar but they still have a mental disorder.
Because it has no affect on the ability to function properly as a person.
It doesn't matter, it's still a mental illness which can cause problems as well. The military already has a high suicide rate for normal people. So combat or whatever driving somebody close to the edge would be even worse for someone who thinks they were born in the wrong body. I'm somewhat going to repeat myself, but transgenders have a high suicidal percentage, so combat is not going to help out their state of mind when they're being depressed about being born in the wrong body.
Trans people don't necessarily have to be in combat positions.

Also let's take note that just because a demographic has increased rates of depression, does not mean that it stacks additively in combat. Gays have higher tendencies toward depression, that doesn't necessarily mean they are combat ineffective. I can solidly say I wouldn't be giving a rat's ass about dysphoria while people are shooting at me. 

If a candidate has a history of depression, go ahead and reject them. If they've been clean for a long time, you're jumping at statistics and not assessing a candidate's record.
Last Edit: January 20, 2017, 04:40:14 PM by eggsalad


 
Luciana
| Mythic Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Luciana
IP: Logged

13,232 posts
 
Hopefully Trump stops this catering to mental illness.
I might be wrong, but doesn't the military have its say on this? They have a lot of autonomy on what they can decide to do iirc.


 
Elai
| Gay Tupac
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Prehistoric
IP: Logged

18,968 posts
male, he/him

dracula can eat my whole ass!
wow, that's surpisingly cool


 
challengerX
| custom title
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: challengerX
IP: Logged

41,942 posts
I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


V | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: Vien Quitonm
PSN:
Steam: Vien 'Quitonm
ID: Vien
IP: Logged

13,118 posts
Just message me.
Vien 'Quitonm#1598 is my discord
Pretty neat.


 
challengerX
| custom title
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: challengerX
IP: Logged

41,942 posts
I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


 
challengerX
| custom title
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: challengerX
IP: Logged

41,942 posts
I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


 
challengerX
| custom title
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: challengerX
IP: Logged

41,942 posts
I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


 
challengerX
| custom title
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: challengerX
IP: Logged

41,942 posts
I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


V | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: Vien Quitonm
PSN:
Steam: Vien 'Quitonm
ID: Vien
IP: Logged

13,118 posts
Just message me.
Vien 'Quitonm#1598 is my discord
How are y'all supposed to go peepee though
-Stuff like bathrooms were easy: you use the facilities dictated by your gender marker.
Can they really change how you pee? Surgeons
If you get your genitals reconstructed, yes. Not everyone goes through that though.
what size dick can you get
Depends on the type of surgery but for the most part it's whatever you want.
damn trans people got it made
Complete reconstructive surgery isn't exactly a walk in the park.
you can literally get a hippo dick
If you want to get plowed just ask.


Mordo | Mythic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Madman Mordo
IP: Logged

7,249 posts
emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours

stop being transphobic
Last Edit: January 21, 2017, 03:03:41 PM by Mordo


 
DAS B00T x2
| Cultural Appropriator
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: DAS B00T x2
IP: Logged

37,629 posts
This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Hopefully Trump stops this catering to mental illness.
Kike puppet can't do shit. Mattis is okay with it so it's gonna stick.

So Turkey, how long was the brief? I just sat through a whole day of bullshit powerpoints but apparently this one hasn't made it down the channels to the guard yet.  Hoping I ETS before it does... just might use an ace card to slit my wrists sitting through any more.


Turkey | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: Viva Redemption
PSN: HurtfulTurkey
Steam: HurtfulTurkey
ID: HurtfulTurkey
IP: Logged

8,077 posts
 
Hopefully Trump stops this catering to mental illness.
Kike puppet can't do shit. Mattis is okay with it so it's gonna stick.

So Turkey, how long was the brief? I just sat through a whole day of bullshit powerpoints but apparently this one hasn't made it down the channels to the guard yet.  Hoping I ETS before it does... just might use an ace card to slit my wrists sitting through any more.

Scheduled for 2 hours, took 45 minutes. Then we had some civvie lecture us about TSP and financial bullshit for another half hour.


NotKiyo | Respected Posting Riot
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: JebBush
IP: Logged

533 posts
 
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


velox | Mythic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: True Velox
IP: Logged

6,726 posts
 
We don't need to make our military any weaker. Next we'll be recruiting people with other mental illnesses
Mods, can we ban the use of rp accounts in Serious?


Mattie G Indahouse | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: BerzerkCommando
PSN: BerzerkCommando
Steam: BerzerkCommando
ID: BerzerkCommando
IP: Logged

9,047 posts
Did he say glass of juice or gas the Jews?
πŸ‘ΆπŸ½:h..

πŸ‘¨πŸ½:honey, he's gonna say his first words

πŸ‘©πŸ½:!!

πŸ‘ΆπŸ½:hhh...

πŸ‘ΆπŸ½:here come dat boi 🐸!

πŸ‘¨πŸ½:o shit waddup πŸ˜‚πŸ’―

πŸ‘©πŸ½:πŸ’”
We don't need to make our military any weaker. Next we'll be recruiting people with other mental illnesses
We already are since transgenderism is a mental illness.


 
challengerX
| custom title
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: challengerX
IP: Logged

41,942 posts
I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.