Quote from: Mad Max on April 09, 2015, 12:37:24 PM

Quote from: Noëlle on April 09, 2015, 12:28:35 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on April 09, 2015, 12:27:42 PM

Camnator, is that you?

Well, I guess this discussion is over, seeing as how you have no intelligent retort.

It's true, though. You can't just ignore a law that you personally object to.

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Well all have a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.

No, you have the responsibility to change or remove unjust laws. Because disobeying a law will just get you locked up, fined, shot, etc. Disobeying a law, no matter how just you find it, does not exempt you from its punishment.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on April 06, 2015, 01:25:28 PM

Yeah, he should be a hero for leaking evidence of perfectly legal activities that have been known about, and reported on, since the PATRIOT Act was instituted, in addition to leaking information on active overseas surveillance programs that demonstrably aided the enemy, hindering intelligence operations and likely putting American and allied personnel at risk.

What a fucking joke.

You do know that the Patriot Act is illegal, right? It is against the Constitution, which does mean something because that is still a legal document, one upon which the country was founded. People like to say the Constitution is meaningless because it was made 239 years ago, but it is still what this country is based on, and it needs to be followed. People like you who just allow shit like the Patriot Act to happen, or do not care, are a major problem. Why would you willingly allow your right to privacy to be violated? Do not use the dumbass excuse "I have nothing to hide". That is such an idiotic response to that question.

Frankly, this is a vapid outlook on a complex issue. The Patriot Act is a wide collection of different allocations of power, and to use a blanket statement like "it's illegal" is not only demonstrably incorrect, as it is upheld by Congress and the Supreme Court regardless of your personal interpretation of the 4th Amendment, it is also obscenely imprecise. In addition, the NSA spying tactics existed long before the Patriot Act, so we'd have to discuss specific sections you're referring to. As I've already responded with several times in this thread, you can't just say what they're doing is illegal; it is not. You can't just say it's wrong; you have to defend that claim. I've defended my rebuttal to that claim, and so far nobody has offered a counterpoint.

You can go on and on about how some law doesn't fit the Constitution, but if you provide no compelling argument, why should you expect me to take you seriously?

Why would anyone "not wish" to share every detail of their life to others, if they aren't a criminal?

I don't understand why anyone would care. That's my question, and you refuse to answer it.
Like everyone else does when I discuss this issue.

It's irrational to care about your privacy. Paranoid. Delusional.

Unless you did something bad, of course. But there's a quick solution to that: Don't do bad things.

Why are people so incapable of answering that simple question?

Why would anyone "not wish" to share every detail of their life to others, if they aren't a criminal?

I don't understand why anyone would care. That's my question, and you refuse to answer it.
Like everyone else does when I discuss this issue.

It's irrational to care about your privacy. Paranoid. Delusional.

Unless you did something bad, of course. But there's a quick solution to that: Don't do bad things.

>hurrr if you're a law abiding citizen you have nothing to worry about
>hurrr im autistic and privacy is overrated, who needs privacy LOL

K then Verb, share everything with the world. All your most intimate details, your secrets, your weaknesses, your strengths, everything. You shouldn't care about privacy after all, and it's why you totally didn't cry to the mods when I used your face for my avatar, right? Claiming it to be violation of your privacy? Oh right, you shouldn't care so nevermind.

Hypocrite.

The best argument for privacy is just an argument from reflexivity--"I care about my privacy, because I care about my privacy."

I guess I can't argue with that! But when I ask people WHY they care, they just have a childish meltdown.
They can't answer it.

Could it be, perhaps, that there's no logical/rational reason at all? And you're just a scared child?

The best argument for privacy is just an argument from reflexivity--"I care about my privacy, because I care about my privacy."

I guess I can't argue with that! But when I ask people WHY they care, they just have a childish meltdown.
They can't answer it.

Could it be, perhaps, that there's no logical/rational reason at all? And you're just a scared child?

Because I value my privacy and don't want the world to know everything about me. It's bad to have everyone know your every detail, ever think of that?

Because I value my privacy and don't want the world to know everything about me.

You literally just regurgitated the exact type of argument that I was talking about. That doesn't answer the question at all.

It's bad to have everyone know your every detail, ever think of that?

Only if you're a criminal. Otherwise, no, it isn't. How could it possibly be a bad thing.

Except it does, tard. If you didn't think it was a thing that shouldn't be used it wouldn't be a privacy issue.

with that logic, all rules are privacy issues

harassment is also "a thing that shouldn't be used"
so i guess that means it's a privacy issue as well

okay, you win

but not really though

Quote from: ANGER on April 09, 2015, 02:55:00 PM

Because I value my privacy and don't want the world to know everything about me.

You literally just regurgitated the exact type of argument that I was talking about. That doesn't answer the question at all.

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It's bad to have everyone know your every detail, ever think of that?

Only if you're a criminal. Otherwise, no, it isn't. How could it possibly be a bad thing.

It completely answers the question. Humans are private and seek privacy. I don't want some perverts staring at me and my girl when she's giving me a blowjob, would you? (Sorry, you actually don't know what it's like to touch a girl lol)

>Hurrrr unless you're a criminal you have nothing to worry about

You keep regurgitating the same bullshit without giving any thought. It's bad for your every intimate detail to be known by others, especially people who may hurt you. Information is power, and if someone has all the information on you, you're in a substantially weaker position.

If you're so fine with having no privacy, post your darkest secrets. Your worst feelings, your weaknesses, your failures, your shortcomings in every sort of way. Stream yourself when you jack off for the world to see. After all, you don't need privacy. Let the world watch you shit, eat, sleep, wake, piss, fail at life.

Release your medical records and your medical history. Give up your social security number. You don't need it, you don't need privacy.

If you don't do any of the above, you're a blaring hypocrite and a coward going against your own word.

Quote from: ANGER on April 09, 2015, 03:00:21 PM

Except it does, tard. If you didn't think it was a thing that shouldn't be used it wouldn't be a privacy issue.

okay, you win

I always do.

It completely answers the question. Humans are private and seek privacy. I don't want some perverts staring at me and my girl when she's giving me a blowjob, would you?

I wouldn't care if someone wanted to watch me getting a blowjob. That instance is different, though, because I'd also need the okay from whoever's blowing me, as well. But when it comes to solo activities, no, I could have an entire audience of people watching me for my entire life, and I would not give a single fuck.

It's bad for your every intimate detail to be known by others, especially people who may hurt you.

If someone actually wants to hurt me for whatever reason, that's their issue. That's an issue with mental health. Because you'd have to be fucking mental to actually want to hurt me for anything I have personally done in my life.

If you're so fine with having no privacy, post your darkest secrets.

I already have. I have no secrets. All of the people I hold dear, all the people in close intimacy with me, and every one of my trusted friends knows practically everything there is to know about me. I wouldn't know where to start with you, because I don't know what a "dark" secret is. I've never really done anything that interesting, either. And even then, there's no proof that I have/have not done any of these things, either, so it seems pretty fruitless, but if you really want me to list things about my life to you, I will.

Your worst feelings, your weaknesses, your failures, your shortcomings in every sort of way.

Yes, yes. EVERYTHING. I've already divulged EVERYTHING.

Stream yourself when you jack off for the world to see.

Just because I don't care about my privacy doesn't mean I'm gonna go out of my way to reveal my personal life at every single opportunity. I'm just saying, if there's ever a time when someone asks me an "intimate" or "personal" question, like, "Have you ever wanted to kill yourself?", I will have NO qualms with answering that question. NONE. ZERO.

After all, you don't need privacy. Let the world watch you shit, eat, sleep, wake, piss, fail at life.

If I had any inclination or reason to do so, I would. It wouldn't bother me at all.

Release your medical records and your medical history. Give up your social security number. You don't need it, you don't need privacy.

That's not privacy--that's security.

If you don't do any of the above, you're a blaring hypocrite and a coward going against your own word.

not caring about privacy =/= going out of your way to reveal all personal info

You're pathetic.