Is there a constructive argument against human cloning besides "muh morals?"

 
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But.

Muh morals!!


 
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Sick humour, no respect.
What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?


 
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I mean, you could make a similar argument about murder, right? I mean, really.

Logically speaking, if something is ethically wrong, it should never be done. Ever.
Ignoring that is like asking if murder would be okay if it wasn't wrong. It's like a non-question.
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What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.


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What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?


 
 
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I have yet to hear one.

Cloning people for organs is the most inefficient way to go about obtaining replacement organs imaginable. We can already grow individual organs from stem cells, so that's a dead end argument.

But as usual science and technology are hamstrung by the unambitious and fearful peasants that infest this planet. Someday though, someday the mechanicus will be a thing and all you meatbags won't be able to ruin progress with petty ethical and moral qualms.


 
 
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What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?
And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<


 
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I have yet to hear one.

Cloning people for organs is the most inefficient way to go about obtaining replacement organs imaginable. We can already grow individual organs from stem cells, so that's a dead end argument.

But as usual science and technology are hamstrung by the unambitious and fearful peasants that infest this planet. Someday though, someday the mechanicus will be a thing and all you meatbags won't be able to ruin progress with petty ethical and moral qualms.
Yes Mr P, we all know that you want to be roboman....


 
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But as usual science and technology are hamstrung by the unambitious and fearful peasants that infest this planet.
I prefer the terms "rational" and "pragmatic".


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What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?
And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<
i was getting more at the fact that we've already got a back up of people. So much so that they're being aborted because a lot of people can't support their own kids. So why put clones into the mix. Also couldn't we blend both genetics of the parent to make basically a perfect mix of both parents? It's not a clone but it's like a perfected version of conception I guess?


 
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What exactly is a "perfect mix"?


 
 
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I have yet to hear one.

Cloning people for organs is the most inefficient way to go about obtaining replacement organs imaginable. We can already grow individual organs from stem cells, so that's a dead end argument.

But as usual science and technology are hamstrung by the unambitious and fearful peasants that infest this planet. Someday though, someday the mechanicus will be a thing and all you meatbags won't be able to ruin progress with petty ethical and moral qualms.
Yes Mr P, we all know that you want to be roboman....
Someday, yes >.>


 
 
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What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?
And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<
i was getting more at the fact that we've already got a back up of people. So much so that they're being aborted because a lot of people can't support their own kids. So why put clones into the mix. Also couldn't we blend both genetics of the parent to make basically a perfect mix of both parents? It's not a clone but it's like a perfected version of conception I guess?

I know, there isn't going to be a shortage of meatbags anytime soon but it's more about the bigger picture <.<

Cloning is the first step towards GM humans, which has the potential to change lives for the better immensely. Resistance to diseases, longer lifespans, glow in the dark eyes. The world would be your oyster-human hybrid >_>

The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<


 
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The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<
And then what?


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The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<
And then what?
And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?


 
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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?


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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?


 
 
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The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<
And then what?
Apotheosis would be nice.

But for a slightly more realistic goal, a species that is free from disease and suffering. Worlds where humans live in harmony with the planet rather than just raping the bejeesus out of it as we are currently doing. The post-human condition is hard to imagine/describe because it's obviously something that can only be speculated/wished for.

But for a slightly more grim prospect, I'd be equally as happy if the human race simply survives long enough to collectively give birth to sentient machines and leave them as our legacy in the universe. Having a smarter, healthier population makes this outcome more likely than everyone just being a typical meatbag and relying upon the one in a million sort of odds to get a genius into play.


 
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Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
More than likely.


 
 
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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<


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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

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Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

AI > Robots > Cyborgs > Meatbags

Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
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YouTube

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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

AI > Robots > Cyborgs > Meatbags

Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
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Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
Destroy with high EMS or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.

Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.


 
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Apotheosis would be nice.

But for a slightly more realistic goal, a species that is free from disease and suffering.
So by slightly more realistic, you mean... even more unrealistic. I mean, I can sort of see a world without disease, but suffering is always going to be prevalent as long as we are sentient. It's just a fact.


 
 
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And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.

Wait...

Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.

:)

AI > Robots > Cyborgs > Meatbags

Can meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.
Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
#relevant

YouTube

Synthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
Destroy with high EMS or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.

Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Disgusting.

Geth > Quarian idiots.
Well not complete idiots, they at least left a good legacy behind.