What's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?
Quote from: Raw Sugar on April 14, 2015, 06:58:55 PMWhat's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:05:22 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on April 14, 2015, 06:58:55 PMWhat's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?
I have yet to hear one.Cloning people for organs is the most inefficient way to go about obtaining replacement organs imaginable. We can already grow individual organs from stem cells, so that's a dead end argument.But as usual science and technology are hamstrung by the unambitious and fearful peasants that infest this planet. Someday though, someday the mechanicus will be a thing and all you meatbags won't be able to ruin progress with petty ethical and moral qualms.
But as usual science and technology are hamstrung by the unambitious and fearful peasants that infest this planet.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on April 14, 2015, 07:12:52 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:05:22 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on April 14, 2015, 06:58:55 PMWhat's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 14, 2015, 07:14:37 PMI have yet to hear one.Cloning people for organs is the most inefficient way to go about obtaining replacement organs imaginable. We can already grow individual organs from stem cells, so that's a dead end argument.But as usual science and technology are hamstrung by the unambitious and fearful peasants that infest this planet. Someday though, someday the mechanicus will be a thing and all you meatbags won't be able to ruin progress with petty ethical and moral qualms.Yes Mr P, we all know that you want to be roboman....
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 14, 2015, 07:16:33 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on April 14, 2015, 07:12:52 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:05:22 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on April 14, 2015, 06:58:55 PMWhat's the point? Are you cloning for organ farming or just for the hell of it?Well, in that case, you could use the muh morals argument very validly. Since you'd be creating a human life just to imprison it, kill it, and then harvest its organs. I could never support cloning if it were used just for harvesting organs from people.glad you see it that way. So why would you clone people for shits and giggles then? Weve got kids in orphanages and foster homes nobody wants so what's the point?And yet people still want to have their own children, having a clone for a child rather than a randomised mess with another meatbag isn't all that different aside from the genetics being identical. There will always be orphans and children in care, but that's no reason to prevent people from having their own children, cloned or natural <.<i was getting more at the fact that we've already got a back up of people. So much so that they're being aborted because a lot of people can't support their own kids. So why put clones into the mix. Also couldn't we blend both genetics of the parent to make basically a perfect mix of both parents? It's not a clone but it's like a perfected version of conception I guess?
The species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 14, 2015, 07:40:16 PMThe species must continue to work towards it's own evolution, waiting for natural selection to take it's time at this point is wasted. Natural selection leads a species to sentience, then when said species becomes sentient it must take control of it's own evolution and strive for greater and greater forms <.<And then what?
And then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:45:39 PMAnd then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?Better for what purpose?
Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.Wait...Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Quote from: Verbatim on April 14, 2015, 07:47:38 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:45:39 PMAnd then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?Better for what purpose?Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.Wait...Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:49:02 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 14, 2015, 07:47:38 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:45:39 PMAnd then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?Better for what purpose?Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.Wait...Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 14, 2015, 07:50:10 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:49:02 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 14, 2015, 07:47:38 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:45:39 PMAnd then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?Better for what purpose?Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.Wait...Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:55:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on April 14, 2015, 07:50:10 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:49:02 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 14, 2015, 07:47:38 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:45:39 PMAnd then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?Better for what purpose?Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.Wait...Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks. AI > Robots > Cyborgs > MeatbagsCan meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 14, 2015, 07:58:01 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:55:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on April 14, 2015, 07:50:10 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:49:02 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 14, 2015, 07:47:38 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:45:39 PMAnd then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?Better for what purpose?Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.Wait...Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks. AI > Robots > Cyborgs > MeatbagsCan meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.#relevantYouTube
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:59:52 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on April 14, 2015, 07:58:01 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:55:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on April 14, 2015, 07:50:10 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:49:02 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 14, 2015, 07:47:38 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:45:39 PMAnd then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?Better for what purpose?Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.Wait...Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks. AI > Robots > Cyborgs > MeatbagsCan meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.#relevantYouTubeSynthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.
Apotheosis would be nice.But for a slightly more realistic goal, a species that is free from disease and suffering.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 14, 2015, 08:02:29 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:59:52 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on April 14, 2015, 07:58:01 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:55:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on April 14, 2015, 07:50:10 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:49:02 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 14, 2015, 07:47:38 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 14, 2015, 07:45:39 PMAnd then we're a lot better off as a species than we were before?Better for what purpose?Medical advances, longer lifespans, etc.Wait...Was Mr P referring to his roboshit again?Both, and please don't refer to the superior lifeforms as 'roboshit' <_<I'd rather not be a cyborg, thanks. AI > Robots > Cyborgs > MeatbagsCan meatbags quantum compute? Didn't think so.Checkmate god, didn't try hard enough. Better luck next time.#relevantYouTubeSynthesis or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.Destroy with high EMS or you might as well just an hero at the end of the game.Screw the Geth and all of the AIs, I just wanna fuck Miranda's titties some more.
Is there a constructive argument against human cloning besides "muh morals?"
