Is nationalism bullshit?

Not Comms Officer · April 15, 2015, 04:39:06 PM

All it seems to have ever done is cause war and conflict between people, so why do some people think that nationalism is a good thing?

More Than Mortal · April 15, 2015, 04:41:13 PM

Depends on the kind of nationalism.

Blood and soil, ethnic nationalism of the Nazi/Soviet/BNP sort is highly toxic.

Civic, cultural nationalism however is necessary for a healthy society.

big dog · April 15, 2015, 04:41:13 PM

Verging on yes. If we're talking about BNP style nationalism.

Not Comms Officer · April 15, 2015, 04:43:46 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on April 15, 2015, 04:41:13 PM

Civic, cultural nationalism however is necessary for a healthy society.

How so?

I'm just curious to see what you have to say about this.

Turkey · April 15, 2015, 05:17:37 PM

Nationalism landed a man on the moon.

challengerX · April 15, 2015, 05:34:22 PM

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cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · April 15, 2015, 05:56:38 PM

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More Than Mortal · April 15, 2015, 05:56:42 PM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 15, 2015, 04:43:46 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on April 15, 2015, 04:41:13 PM
Civic, cultural nationalism however is necessary for a healthy society.
How so?

I'm just curious to see what you have to say about this.

How do you expect to have a functioning society, when several different systems of values are competing? It's like pitting the KKK together with the Black Panthers, but on a national level.

Take for instance, the relatively misogynistic Islamic cultures of countries like India and Pakistan. And then consider the massive over-representation of Asians in the UK's rape statistics. Culture drives behaviour; if you don't get the culture right, you're going to end up with an entirely fucked society, or a weak society with a proportion trying to fuck it.

Statefarm · April 15, 2015, 07:12:47 PM

Nationalism is usually associated with more extreme stuff. A healthy amount of patriotism is a good thing.

Not Comms Officer · April 15, 2015, 07:14:38 PM

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There's no such thing as nationalism in America. Its simply the best country in the world.

no

Forgewolf · April 15, 2015, 11:08:55 PM

For the most part, yes, but only when its obvious that a nation is just being full of it.

Mordo · April 16, 2015, 06:28:49 AM

No. Not all cultures are inherently equal or morally just. A healthy penchant of nationalism is good for society, so long as it's kept in check.

Genghis Khan · April 16, 2015, 07:16:35 AM

No. The UN and EU wants to eliminate nationalism.

challengerX · April 16, 2015, 07:39:11 AM

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Not Comms Officer · April 16, 2015, 10:12:39 AM

Quote from: Karjala takaisin on April 16, 2015, 07:16:35 AM

No. The UN and EU wants to eliminate nationalism.

I'm pretty sure that's a good thing.

challengerX · April 16, 2015, 11:05:30 AM

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Not Comms Officer · April 16, 2015, 11:07:03 AM

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Quote from: Karjala takaisin on April 16, 2015, 07:16:35 AM
No. The UN and EU wants to eliminate nationalism.
I'm pretty sure that's a good thing.
Absolutelydisgusting.jpg EU shill detected

Not even gonna deny that I am.

challengerX · April 16, 2015, 11:08:28 AM

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Not Comms Officer · April 16, 2015, 11:12:41 AM

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Quote from: Karjala takaisin on April 16, 2015, 07:16:35 AM
No. The UN and EU wants to eliminate nationalism.
I'm pretty sure that's a good thing.
Absolutelydisgusting.jpg EU shill detected
Not even gonna deny that I am.

EU IS GARBAGE

nope.avi

Though I don't get why you make the best of your current situation given that you're no longer a citizen of the country you actually want to live in. Or maybe you do just that, and you only complain about it on here...

challengerX · April 16, 2015, 11:14:21 AM

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Not Comms Officer · April 16, 2015, 11:15:36 AM

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Quote from: Karjala takaisin on April 16, 2015, 07:16:35 AM
No. The UN and EU wants to eliminate nationalism.
I'm pretty sure that's a good thing.
Absolutelydisgusting.jpg EU shill detected
Not even gonna deny that I am.

EU IS GARBAGE
nope.avi

Though I don't get why you make the best of your current situation given that you're no longer a citizen of the country you actually want to live in. Or maybe you do just that, and you only complain about it on here...
wat

I mean you complaining about Europe a lot and saying how much better the US when it's apparently the only place you can really live in. I may be wrong, but meh.

challengerX · April 16, 2015, 11:17:23 AM

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Not Comms Officer · April 16, 2015, 11:22:55 AM

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Quote from: Karjala takaisin on April 16, 2015, 07:16:35 AM
No. The UN and EU wants to eliminate nationalism.
I'm pretty sure that's a good thing.
Absolutelydisgusting.jpg EU shill detected
Not even gonna deny that I am.

EU IS GARBAGE
nope.avi

Though I don't get why you make the best of your current situation given that you're no longer a citizen of the country you actually want to live in. Or maybe you do just that, and you only complain about it on here...
wat
I mean you complaining about Europe a lot and saying how much better the US when it's apparently the only place you can really live in. I may be wrong, but meh.
And?

I dunno. I'm just suggesting that you change your outlook if you haven't already because it doesn't seem like you can live in the US again in your life.

This would have been a lot easier if you got what I was trying to say first time around. >_>

challengerX · April 16, 2015, 11:24:08 AM

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Not Comms Officer · April 16, 2015, 11:25:11 AM

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Quote from: Karjala takaisin on April 16, 2015, 07:16:35 AM
No. The UN and EU wants to eliminate nationalism.
I'm pretty sure that's a good thing.
Absolutelydisgusting.jpg EU shill detected
Not even gonna deny that I am.

EU IS GARBAGE
nope.avi

Though I don't get why you make the best of your current situation given that you're no longer a citizen of the country you actually want to live in. Or maybe you do just that, and you only complain about it on here...
wat
I mean you complaining about Europe a lot and saying how much better the US when it's apparently the only place you can really live in. I may be wrong, but meh.
And?
I dunno. I'm just suggesting that you change your outlook if you haven't already because it doesn't seem like you can live in the US again in your life.

This would have been a lot easier if you got what I was trying to say first time around. >_>
I can go back.

Oh. Well. Then that makes a lot more sense.

So I take it you're trying to save up money in the UK so you can make your final pilgrimage back home then.

challengerX · April 16, 2015, 11:26:04 AM

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Not Comms Officer · April 16, 2015, 11:28:10 AM

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Quote from: Karjala takaisin on April 16, 2015, 07:16:35 AM
No. The UN and EU wants to eliminate nationalism.
I'm pretty sure that's a good thing.
Absolutelydisgusting.jpg EU shill detected
Not even gonna deny that I am.

EU IS GARBAGE
nope.avi

Though I don't get why you make the best of your current situation given that you're no longer a citizen of the country you actually want to live in. Or maybe you do just that, and you only complain about it on here...
wat
I mean you complaining about Europe a lot and saying how much better the US when it's apparently the only place you can really live in. I may be wrong, but meh.
And?
I dunno. I'm just suggesting that you change your outlook if you haven't already because it doesn't seem like you can live in the US again in your life.

This would have been a lot easier if you got what I was trying to say first time around. >_>
I can go back.
Oh. Well. Then that makes a lot more sense.

So I take it you're trying to save up money in the UK so you can make your final pilgrimage back home then.
Pretty much.

Well, that's nice how you can have your happy ending. I thought that you were gonna be stuck outside of the US for the rest of your life....

challengerX · April 16, 2015, 11:30:48 AM

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Not Comms Officer · April 16, 2015, 11:31:54 AM

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Quote from: challengerX on April 16, 2015, 11:05:30 AM
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Quote from: Karjala takaisin on April 16, 2015, 07:16:35 AM
No. The UN and EU wants to eliminate nationalism.
I'm pretty sure that's a good thing.
Absolutelydisgusting.jpg EU shill detected
Not even gonna deny that I am.

EU IS GARBAGE
nope.avi

Though I don't get why you make the best of your current situation given that you're no longer a citizen of the country you actually want to live in. Or maybe you do just that, and you only complain about it on here...
wat
I mean you complaining about Europe a lot and saying how much better the US when it's apparently the only place you can really live in. I may be wrong, but meh.
And?
I dunno. I'm just suggesting that you change your outlook if you haven't already because it doesn't seem like you can live in the US again in your life.

This would have been a lot easier if you got what I was trying to say first time around. >_>
I can go back.
Oh. Well. Then that makes a lot more sense.

So I take it you're trying to save up money in the UK so you can make your final pilgrimage back home then.
Pretty much.
Well, that's nice how you can have your happy ending. I thought that you were gonna be stuck outside of the US for the rest of your life....
No, thank goodness.

Are you ever gonna leave the US again once you return, or are you just gonna remain there for the rest of your life? Like for visiting foreign countries that is.

challengerX · April 16, 2015, 11:33:26 AM

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Is nationalism bullshit?