Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:35:30 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:31:04 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:23:48 PMTertiary however, isn't.It's getting to the point where it should be, though.Not really. Declaring it a universal right for everyone would only devalue college degrees, virtually rendering them worthless.If people want to enroll into higher paying fields they should expect to put some semblance of work in.Too bad that's what is happening anyways? When more people go to College, the value of Associate degrees is next to nothing; now it is Bachelors or higher.. How long do you think those will last? How long before we will be required to have PH.Ds to get jobs that people could just do if they learn from a bunch of FREE instructional videos on the internet?
Quote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:31:04 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:23:48 PMTertiary however, isn't.It's getting to the point where it should be, though.Not really. Declaring it a universal right for everyone would only devalue college degrees, virtually rendering them worthless.If people want to enroll into higher paying fields they should expect to put some semblance of work in.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:23:48 PMTertiary however, isn't.It's getting to the point where it should be, though.
Tertiary however, isn't.
Rights don't exist.So, no.
Quote from: BrenMan 94 on December 27, 2014, 09:28:25 PMRights don't exist.So, no.What exactly do you and Molyneux mean by this?Nobody has the right to life? Nobody has the right to pursue their own destiny?
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 28, 2014, 05:02:45 AMQuote from: BrenMan 94 on December 27, 2014, 09:28:25 PMRights don't exist.So, no.What exactly do you and Molyneux mean by this?Nobody has the right to life? Nobody has the right to pursue their own destiny?Not inherently. Human rights are a societal concept.
Quote from: BrenMan 94 on December 27, 2014, 09:28:25 PMRights don't exist.So, no.Alright. Then you are now officially my slave! Yea for no rights!
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on December 28, 2014, 09:59:50 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 28, 2014, 05:02:45 AMQuote from: BrenMan 94 on December 27, 2014, 09:28:25 PMRights don't exist.So, no.What exactly do you and Molyneux mean by this?Nobody has the right to life? Nobody has the right to pursue their own destiny?Not inherently. Human rights are a societal concept.Yeah, no shit. Abstraction doesn't automatically negate something's existence.Debt, love and power are societal and abstract concepts too, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 28, 2014, 05:02:45 AMQuote from: BrenMan 94 on December 27, 2014, 09:28:25 PMRights don't exist.So, no.What exactly do you and Molyneux mean by this?Nobody has the right to life? Nobody has the right to pursue their own destiny?Is your right to life being violated if I kill you while you're attempting to rob me? If your destiny is to kill off an entire race, and others stop you from doing so, are they violating your right to your destiny? I guess you could say that your destiny violates others' right to life, which makes it invalid, but then that's society determining the boundaries of your "right", not nature.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 28, 2014, 10:24:19 AMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on December 28, 2014, 09:59:50 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 28, 2014, 05:02:45 AMQuote from: BrenMan 94 on December 27, 2014, 09:28:25 PMRights don't exist.So, no.What exactly do you and Molyneux mean by this?Nobody has the right to life? Nobody has the right to pursue their own destiny?Not inherently. Human rights are a societal concept.Yeah, no shit. Abstraction doesn't automatically negate something's existence.Debt, love and power are societal and abstract concepts too, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.You only have rights because we live in a society that promotes them. We can observe the use of power in nature to dominate others.
Quote from: Forgewolf on December 27, 2014, 11:13:25 PMQuote from: BrenMan 94 on December 27, 2014, 09:28:25 PMRights don't exist.So, no.Alright. Then you are now officially my slave! Yea for no rights!Rights are just privileges society affords you, codified in law.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 28, 2014, 11:24:55 AMQuote from: Forgewolf on December 27, 2014, 11:13:25 PMQuote from: BrenMan 94 on December 27, 2014, 09:28:25 PMRights don't exist.So, no.Alright. Then you are now officially my slave! Yea for no rights!Rights are just privileges society affords you, codified in law.Yes. But the law has no right to enforce their laws, so I still win?
Quote from: Forgewolf on December 28, 2014, 05:20:03 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on December 28, 2014, 11:24:55 AMQuote from: Forgewolf on December 27, 2014, 11:13:25 PMQuote from: BrenMan 94 on December 27, 2014, 09:28:25 PMRights don't exist.So, no.Alright. Then you are now officially my slave! Yea for no rights!Rights are just privileges society affords you, codified in law.Yes. But the law has no right to enforce their laws, so I still win?Might makes right. Overthrow the government and establish your own legislature. Then you can tell the law it has no right to enforce itself.
How are they going to get might if no one is bound by law to serve to enforce such laws?
Quote from: Forgewolf on December 28, 2014, 05:23:32 PMHow are they going to get might if no one is bound by law to serve to enforce such laws?. . .But they are bound by law. And the government uses its might to enforce it.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 28, 2014, 05:27:29 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on December 28, 2014, 05:23:32 PMHow are they going to get might if no one is bound by law to serve to enforce such laws?. . .But they are bound by law. And the government uses its might to enforce it.Not if all the enforcers walked out at once. BAM!
Quote from: Forgewolf on December 28, 2014, 05:36:52 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on December 28, 2014, 05:27:29 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on December 28, 2014, 05:23:32 PMHow are they going to get might if no one is bound by law to serve to enforce such laws?. . .But they are bound by law. And the government uses its might to enforce it.Not if all the enforcers walked out at once. BAM!Well, yeah. . . That's exactly my fucking point. They'd immediately lose the might to enforce their will. Like what happened with Tsar Nicholas II in 1917; he was replaced by a more powerful establishment, with a better handle on enforcement. The enforcers only lack the right to leave if the government has enforcers of the enforcers, who enforce their lack of a right to leave.
Quote from: BrenMan 94 on December 28, 2014, 10:33:51 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 28, 2014, 05:02:45 AMQuote from: BrenMan 94 on December 27, 2014, 09:28:25 PMRights don't exist.So, no.What exactly do you and Molyneux mean by this?Nobody has the right to life? Nobody has the right to pursue their own destiny?Is your right to life being violated if I kill you while you're attempting to rob me? If your destiny is to kill off an entire race, and others stop you from doing so, are they violating your right to your destiny? I guess you could say that your destiny violates others' right to life, which makes it invalid, but then that's society determining the boundaries of your "right", not nature.Infringing on others rights is not a right. The first scenario abdicates my rights since I would be infringing on your property rights. The second scenario is once again, an infringement on the bodily autonomy of an entire race. Nice strawman.
Actually yes. Look what uneducated people are doing in places like the Middle East. So gullible and easy to make into brainwashed followers.
Quote from: Forgewolf on December 27, 2014, 11:13:25 PMQuote from: BrenMan 94 on December 27, 2014, 09:28:25 PMRights don't exist.So, no.Alright. Then you are now officially my slave! Yea for no rights!Yeah, well he still has the ability to ignore you, and thus making your statement worthless.You have to give something of equal value for a human to listen to you when there's no law. His life would be something, but then it'd have to be threatened, and you're not really doing that.
Quote from: Royal Light on December 29, 2014, 04:52:16 AMQuote from: Forgewolf on December 27, 2014, 11:13:25 PMQuote from: BrenMan 94 on December 27, 2014, 09:28:25 PMRights don't exist.So, no.Alright. Then you are now officially my slave! Yea for no rights!Yeah, well he still has the ability to ignore you, and thus making your statement worthless.You have to give something of equal value for a human to listen to you when there's no law. His life would be something, but then it'd have to be threatened, and you're not really doing that.You got me there. I'd have to use my own personal might and chain him, but then I'd be in the clear.
Is education a human right?
