Tertiary however, isn't.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:23:48 PMTertiary however, isn't.It's getting to the point where it should be, though.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:31:04 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:23:48 PMTertiary however, isn't.It's getting to the point where it should be, though.Not really. Declaring it a universal right for everyone would only devalue college degrees, virtually rendering them worthless.If people want to enroll into higher paying fields they should expect to put some semblance of work in.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:31:04 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:23:48 PMTertiary however, isn't.It's getting to the point where it should be, though.Absolutely not. You heighten the standards of all the categories if the educational system is suffering from credential inflation. What you don't do is try and push more people through higher education.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:35:30 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:31:04 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:23:48 PMTertiary however, isn't.It's getting to the point where it should be, though.Not really. Declaring it a universal right for everyone would only devalue college degrees, virtually rendering them worthless.If people want to enroll into higher paying fields they should expect to put some semblance of work in.Because it isn't already getting there? Having a college degree is pretty much required for any field.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:36:29 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:35:30 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:31:04 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:23:48 PMTertiary however, isn't.It's getting to the point where it should be, though.Not really. Declaring it a universal right for everyone would only devalue college degrees, virtually rendering them worthless.If people want to enroll into higher paying fields they should expect to put some semblance of work in.Because it isn't already getting there? Having a college degree is pretty much required for any field.And that's exactly why we shouldn't be shoveling more people into tertiary education. How long before a college degree is no more valuable than the A+ on that drawing you did when you were 5 years old?
How is that any different than requiring people to go to high school?
Quote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:40:20 PMHow is that any different than requiring people to go to high school? Because it's not high school. University was never designed to be a form of mass education, and the problem lies with general distrust in the public education system as opposed to any necessity to own a degree - which only exists within the current paradigm. The first rule of economics is that scarcity proximately effects value, so what do you think happens to the value of a degree if everybody has one? We're already seeing this in a relative lack of value in a BA compared to an MA/MSc.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:41:33 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:36:29 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:35:30 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:31:04 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:23:48 PMTertiary however, isn't.It's getting to the point where it should be, though.Not really. Declaring it a universal right for everyone would only devalue college degrees, virtually rendering them worthless.If people want to enroll into higher paying fields they should expect to put some semblance of work in.Because it isn't already getting there? Having a college degree is pretty much required for any field.And that's exactly why we shouldn't be shoveling more people into tertiary education. How long before a college degree is no more valuable than the A+ on that drawing you did when you were 5 years old?It already is. So what we should do is subsidize it so people don't put themselves in massive debt.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:47:44 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:41:33 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:36:29 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:35:30 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:31:04 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 03:23:48 PMTertiary however, isn't.It's getting to the point where it should be, though.Not really. Declaring it a universal right for everyone would only devalue college degrees, virtually rendering them worthless.If people want to enroll into higher paying fields they should expect to put some semblance of work in.Because it isn't already getting there? Having a college degree is pretty much required for any field.And that's exactly why we shouldn't be shoveling more people into tertiary education. How long before a college degree is no more valuable than the A+ on that drawing you did when you were 5 years old?It already is. So what we should do is subsidize it so people don't put themselves in massive debt.Yes, because giving everyone and your grandma a college degree is definitely going to entice employers, right?
Get real. Not everyone can, and should be getting college degrees. It's not a fundamental right, and never will be. It's there for those who wish to enter high paying fields, not the everyday average joe.
Yes, and my point is that making high school a requirement [whenever it was "they" decided that] isn't much different than making tertiary education a requirement now.
But that's what employers want.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:53:42 PMBut that's what employers want.No it isn't. Employers want employees who will be reliably competent in their field. The fact that you have letters after your name is immaterial, for the most part.
If by "high paying field" you mean literally anything above minimum wage...
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 27, 2014, 03:57:44 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:53:42 PMBut that's what employers want.No it isn't. Employers want employees who will be reliably competent in their field. The fact that you have letters after your name is immaterial, for the most part.I've literally never applied to a job that wasn't a retail gig when I was 17 that didn't want a college degree.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:53:42 PMIf by "high paying field" you mean literally anything above minimum wage...UghI hear this time after time from the left and I'm getting pretty sick of listening to it. Every minimum wage job I've seen and applied to requested the minimum standard of secondary education. If all jobs required a college degree like you suggest, half of the labour market would be unemployed. Let's drop the myth, shall we?
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 04:00:14 PMQuote from: Mad Max on December 27, 2014, 03:53:42 PMIf by "high paying field" you mean literally anything above minimum wage...UghI hear this time after time from the left and I'm getting pretty sick of listening to it. Every minimum wage job I've seen and applied to requested the minimum standard of secondary education. If all jobs required a college degree like you suggest, half of the labour market would be unemployed. Let's drop the myth, shall we?Not to mention, things like the police force (at least in this country) don't even require A-levels in order to be eligible for employment. Shit, I'm 17, haven't finished my A-levels and I get paid more than minimum wage.
tfw Asda is the lowest paying supermarket :^[
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 27, 2014, 04:10:44 PMtfw Asda is the lowest paying supermarket :^[scrub i get payed 10 pund/hr to push trollies around
Rights don't exist.So, no.
Is education a human right?
