you may was well commit suicide if you have cancer due to the debt you're going to be in from treatment.

Since ACA it's no longer possible for people to go bankrupt solely from medical bills. The outcomes of the U.S. system, while very good, are let down by its structure and organisation. With that said, it's still moving in the right direction.

So I'm just here on the fifth page wondering how all of this came from that OP.

It was originally in another thread but it got moved because derailment.

Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:33:09 AM

Quote from: challengerX on June 10, 2016, 06:05:59 PM

Enemy combatants, if allowed to retain their rights, does nothing but fuck us over. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let you defend the failure and incompetency of the intelligence organizations of France and Belgium (not trying to get personal) and criticize America for removing the red tape and getting the job done. You can't try these people in court. They need to be eliminated quickly and efficiently. They're enemy combatants, the opposing force in a war, and they have engaged us. We need to defend ourselves at all costs.

What a joke. You can put whatever shitty spin on it that you want to, but everyone, simply by existing, is guaranteed certain human rights. If we torture or take rights away from terrorists, we're evil just like they are.

wow... really makes you think

Not really. It's pretty cut and dry.

Quote from: Jack on June 10, 2016, 06:39:07 PM

As much as I'd like to disagree with Class, if a woman is capable of performing at the same level of efficiency as a man, it seems a bit antiquated to barr her from doing just that simply because she's a woman.

Forgive me, but I just don't see these "biological urges" really playing that much of a factor in the heat of the moment.

Reread the last part of your post out loud.

You think biology factors way more into decision making than it actually does. In the heat of the moment, a good soldier will remember their training and conditioning, not some primitive and sexist urge to protect a woman.

Quote from: Jack on June 11, 2016, 09:51:41 AM

Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 05:46:16 AM

Quote from: Jack on June 10, 2016, 06:39:07 PM

As much as I'd like to disagree with Class, if a woman is capable of performing at the same level of efficiency as a man, it seems a bit antiquated to barr her from doing just that simply because she's a woman.

Forgive me, but I just don't see these "biological urges" really playing that much of a factor in the heat of the moment.

Reread the last part of your post out loud.

Okay. Done.

It's in the heat of the moment that biological urges tend to manifest themselves the most.

Not if you're specifically trained to resist them, and conditioned for weeks to do other things in the heat of the moment. Soldiers are constantly reinforced to never put a single individual over the mission, and those who can't do that are weeded out of active combat roles. There's no reason this qualification would change because we let women serve.

Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 03:25:21 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 11, 2016, 03:16:30 PM

Quote from: Jack on June 11, 2016, 09:51:41 AM

Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 05:46:16 AM

Quote from: Jack on June 10, 2016, 06:39:07 PM

As much as I'd like to disagree with Class, if a woman is capable of performing at the same level of efficiency as a man, it seems a bit antiquated to barr her from doing just that simply because she's a woman.

Forgive me, but I just don't see these "biological urges" really playing that much of a factor in the heat of the moment.

Reread the last part of your post out loud.

Okay. Done.

It's in the heat of the moment that biological urges tend to manifest themselves the most.

Not if you're specifically trained to resist them, and conditioned for weeks to do other things in the heat of the moment. Soldiers are constantly reinforced to never put a single individual over the mission, and those who can't do that are weeded out of active combat roles. There's no reason this qualification would change because we let women serve.

No amount of training will make a man into a robot.

Robot? No. Able to perform a duty without being sexist and obsessed with the opposite sex? Definitely.

Not everyone has this big macho male protector complex like you.

Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:02:06 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 03:54:27 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 03:25:21 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 11, 2016, 03:16:30 PM

Quote from: Jack on June 11, 2016, 09:51:41 AM

Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 05:46:16 AM

Quote from: Jack on June 10, 2016, 06:39:07 PM

As much as I'd like to disagree with Class, if a woman is capable of performing at the same level of efficiency as a man, it seems a bit antiquated to barr her from doing just that simply because she's a woman.

Forgive me, but I just don't see these "biological urges" really playing that much of a factor in the heat of the moment.

Reread the last part of your post out loud.

Okay. Done.

It's in the heat of the moment that biological urges tend to manifest themselves the most.

Not if you're specifically trained to resist them, and conditioned for weeks to do other things in the heat of the moment. Soldiers are constantly reinforced to never put a single individual over the mission, and those who can't do that are weeded out of active combat roles. There's no reason this qualification would change because we let women serve.

No amount of training will make a man into a robot.

Robot? No. Able to perform a duty without being sexist and obsessed with the opposite sex? Definitely.

Not everyone has this big macho male protector complex like you.

That big macho male protector complex is what turns an average motherfucker into a relentless killer who can lie down in the rain and mud for hours waiting for the green light. You don't have a fucking clue, kid. Go talk about using drugs or whatever other degenerate bullshit you're knowledgable about.

Lmao, not at all. Training and experience is what turns you into that, not being a fucking retard who thinks he has to abandon the mission to protect a damsel in distress.

Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:11:50 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:08:02 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:02:06 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 03:54:27 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 03:25:21 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 11, 2016, 03:16:30 PM

Quote from: Jack on June 11, 2016, 09:51:41 AM

Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 05:46:16 AM

Quote from: Jack on June 10, 2016, 06:39:07 PM

As much as I'd like to disagree with Class, if a woman is capable of performing at the same level of efficiency as a man, it seems a bit antiquated to barr her from doing just that simply because she's a woman.

Forgive me, but I just don't see these "biological urges" really playing that much of a factor in the heat of the moment.

Reread the last part of your post out loud.

Okay. Done.

It's in the heat of the moment that biological urges tend to manifest themselves the most.

Not if you're specifically trained to resist them, and conditioned for weeks to do other things in the heat of the moment. Soldiers are constantly reinforced to never put a single individual over the mission, and those who can't do that are weeded out of active combat roles. There's no reason this qualification would change because we let women serve.

No amount of training will make a man into a robot.

Robot? No. Able to perform a duty without being sexist and obsessed with the opposite sex? Definitely.

Not everyone has this big macho male protector complex like you.

That big macho male protector complex is what turns an average motherfucker into a relentless killer who can lie down in the rain and mud for hours waiting for the green light. You don't have a fucking clue, kid. Go talk about using drugs or whatever other degenerate bullshit you're knowledgable about.

Lmao, not at all. Training and experience is what turns you into that, not being a fucking retard who thinks he has to abandon the mission to protect a damsel in distress.

You have an extremely laughable view of combat.

You're the one who legitimately thinks abandoning missions for a single person makes you a good soldier.

>never put an individual over the mission

Except that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.

Yeah, and that's the fucking problem.

First of all, disobeying your superior and putting the whole mission at risk is not heroism, it's idiocy. Second of all, the fact that it's worse if a woman is in danger only proves my point more. Right now, if what you're saying is true, our "best" soldiers are a bunch of irresponsible, sexist assholes. I wonder what you'd think of a skilled soldier who always thinks of the mission and wouldn't put a male or female life ahead of doing what the CO ordered. Let me guess, he would be some kind of pussy.

Get your head out of your ass, and stop prancing around saying you know what makes up a great soldier, when you obviously have no clue.

Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:26:12 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:18:42 PM

>never put an individual over the mission

Except that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.

Yeah, and that's the fucking problem.

First of all, disobeying your superior and putting the whole mission at risk is not heroism, it's idiocy. Second of all, the fact that it's worse if a woman is in danger only proves my point more. Right now, if what you're saying is true, our "best" soldiers are a bunch of irresponsible, sexist assholes. I wonder what you'd think of a skilled soldier who always thinks of the mission and wouldn't put a male or female life ahead of doing what the CO ordered. Let me guess, he would be some kind of pussy.

Get your head out of your ass, and stop prancing around saying you know what makes up a great soldier, when you obviously have no clue.

I've never seen so much ignorance in one motherfucking post.

Just look at your post history

Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:34:14 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:33:06 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 11, 2016, 04:26:12 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 11, 2016, 04:18:42 PM

>never put an individual over the mission

Except that happens all the time. People, not robots. People disobey direct orders all the time and risk their own lives to save a friend, sometimes just to get his dead body for his parents back home. That's multiplied by a hundred if it's a woman. These acts are some of the best displays of heroism.

Yeah, and that's the fucking problem.

First of all, disobeying your superior and putting the whole mission at risk is not heroism, it's idiocy. Second of all, the fact that it's worse if a woman is in danger only proves my point more. Right now, if what you're saying is true, our "best" soldiers are a bunch of irresponsible, sexist assholes. I wonder what you'd think of a skilled soldier who always thinks of the mission and wouldn't put a male or female life ahead of doing what the CO ordered. Let me guess, he would be some kind of pussy.

Get your head out of your ass, and stop prancing around saying you know what makes up a great soldier, when you obviously have no clue.

I've never seen so much ignorance in one motherfucking post.

Just look at your post history

Shut the fuck up you disgusting subhuman Jew piece of trash, ignorant junkie waste of oxygen. Please fucking kill yourself and put it on YouTube so I can watch you cry and die like a bitch in slow motion.

"Hurr durr rescuing a friend isn't heroic it's retarded lmao"

Fucking worthless piece of dog shit Jew motherfucker I hope Tyrone rapes you to death you gender confused monkey faggot.

No, it's not heroic at all when there are bigger things at stake. Forfeiting the mission to save your friend might make you a good person, but it makes you far from a good soldier. And that's what we're talking about.