Don't patronize me.
I'm discussing this with you because you all keep replying. But I'm never going to change my mind on this.
The book should be banned and destroyed.
If you're seriously going to sit there and say a book doesn't carry more weight than a blog or post on a forum, LOL.
Like I said, we read books and view them as official sources of information from a young age.
That means somebody will take Mein Kampf far more seriously than a blog post.
Exactly, the eloquence. The second phrase is far more likely to get you thinking than the first one
And my point is I'm not for censorship in general. I just don't think Mein Kampf should be legal to buy. Hitler shouldn't be idolized like he is, and having people read his book is even worse.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 07:21:54 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 07:14:32 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 07:03:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 07:00:08 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:55:19 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:40:00 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:30:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.Then read a history book. Erase it from your mind, don't promote it, don't waste time on it. It's wrong, it's stupid, and it's against everything humanity is supposed to be.Besides, there's genocide going on right now. There's governments brainwashing and controlling their citizens right now. That book not being banned hasn't stopped anything fm from being repeated.I have read many.I in no way promote it, whenever it's brought up I say how shite the book is let alone the abhorrent content. Understanding what you are supposed to watch for in others is important, sure you can try and leave it all up to intuition but there isn't anything wrong with understanding the mind (or trying to) of people who think like that. Finding out what makes them tick is important as it helps you prevent others from falling into the same pitfalls.And the genocides currently being carried out are not over things mentioned in mein kampf or any other nazi literature. It's over ethnic divisions and power struggles in Africa and the middle east. The Hutus in Rwanda weren't Neo-Nazis, they just wanted to butcher the Tutsis.Right, and as long we have history books no Naziesque regime will ever pop up again. But the point is there's nothing to gain by allowing people to read this book that can't be gained by reading a history book.Except history books inevitably abridge and abbreviate, put the author's spin on things and paint a narrative. Even if the original source material is disgusting, shielding people from it and buffing over the stain on humanity's existence won't work well in the long run.It's better to remember the horrors and to study the events that led to them occurring and then to remember how we shoved that shit back up the asshole of the bastards who dreamt it up in the first place <______<Mein Kampf doesn't really inform anybody though, it's just the ramblings of Hitler and his bullshit ideology. Most history books do a good jobs at being unbiased.That would depend on how you approach the book, at face value that is all it is. It's a book filled with inane rants about how the jews cockblocked him from art school and are stealing petrol from his car and turning into woodlice to crawl under the furniture.When viewing the wider picture, the fact that the book is a load of shit serves a purpose. To show people that the ideology behind the nazis was infact just a crock of shit dreamt up by some syphilitic wanker to shift the blame from everything onto a scapegoat. It takes the 'mystery' away from it, to find out that the great orator himself was just that. Full of hot wind and little else.Some do, some don't. I'm not really happy with the general standard of them though and over-reliance on secondhand and thirdhand material leads to a game of chinese whispers. I'd rather the original, abhorrent message was preserved for all to see and decry, than a watered down version was spoonfed to everyone.Anybody with half a brain can tell the Jews were a scapegoat. We don't need this book to know that. Reading a history book and seeing everything that happened in a few pages is what kills the mysticism. It was just another phase in humanity where some idiots tried to take over the world and failed. That's it. Everything else is irrelevant and their propaganda is irrelevant.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 07:14:32 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 07:03:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 07:00:08 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:55:19 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:40:00 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:30:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.Then read a history book. Erase it from your mind, don't promote it, don't waste time on it. It's wrong, it's stupid, and it's against everything humanity is supposed to be.Besides, there's genocide going on right now. There's governments brainwashing and controlling their citizens right now. That book not being banned hasn't stopped anything fm from being repeated.I have read many.I in no way promote it, whenever it's brought up I say how shite the book is let alone the abhorrent content. Understanding what you are supposed to watch for in others is important, sure you can try and leave it all up to intuition but there isn't anything wrong with understanding the mind (or trying to) of people who think like that. Finding out what makes them tick is important as it helps you prevent others from falling into the same pitfalls.And the genocides currently being carried out are not over things mentioned in mein kampf or any other nazi literature. It's over ethnic divisions and power struggles in Africa and the middle east. The Hutus in Rwanda weren't Neo-Nazis, they just wanted to butcher the Tutsis.Right, and as long we have history books no Naziesque regime will ever pop up again. But the point is there's nothing to gain by allowing people to read this book that can't be gained by reading a history book.Except history books inevitably abridge and abbreviate, put the author's spin on things and paint a narrative. Even if the original source material is disgusting, shielding people from it and buffing over the stain on humanity's existence won't work well in the long run.It's better to remember the horrors and to study the events that led to them occurring and then to remember how we shoved that shit back up the asshole of the bastards who dreamt it up in the first place <______<Mein Kampf doesn't really inform anybody though, it's just the ramblings of Hitler and his bullshit ideology. Most history books do a good jobs at being unbiased.That would depend on how you approach the book, at face value that is all it is. It's a book filled with inane rants about how the jews cockblocked him from art school and are stealing petrol from his car and turning into woodlice to crawl under the furniture.When viewing the wider picture, the fact that the book is a load of shit serves a purpose. To show people that the ideology behind the nazis was infact just a crock of shit dreamt up by some syphilitic wanker to shift the blame from everything onto a scapegoat. It takes the 'mystery' away from it, to find out that the great orator himself was just that. Full of hot wind and little else.Some do, some don't. I'm not really happy with the general standard of them though and over-reliance on secondhand and thirdhand material leads to a game of chinese whispers. I'd rather the original, abhorrent message was preserved for all to see and decry, than a watered down version was spoonfed to everyone.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 07:03:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 07:00:08 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:55:19 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:40:00 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:30:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.Then read a history book. Erase it from your mind, don't promote it, don't waste time on it. It's wrong, it's stupid, and it's against everything humanity is supposed to be.Besides, there's genocide going on right now. There's governments brainwashing and controlling their citizens right now. That book not being banned hasn't stopped anything fm from being repeated.I have read many.I in no way promote it, whenever it's brought up I say how shite the book is let alone the abhorrent content. Understanding what you are supposed to watch for in others is important, sure you can try and leave it all up to intuition but there isn't anything wrong with understanding the mind (or trying to) of people who think like that. Finding out what makes them tick is important as it helps you prevent others from falling into the same pitfalls.And the genocides currently being carried out are not over things mentioned in mein kampf or any other nazi literature. It's over ethnic divisions and power struggles in Africa and the middle east. The Hutus in Rwanda weren't Neo-Nazis, they just wanted to butcher the Tutsis.Right, and as long we have history books no Naziesque regime will ever pop up again. But the point is there's nothing to gain by allowing people to read this book that can't be gained by reading a history book.Except history books inevitably abridge and abbreviate, put the author's spin on things and paint a narrative. Even if the original source material is disgusting, shielding people from it and buffing over the stain on humanity's existence won't work well in the long run.It's better to remember the horrors and to study the events that led to them occurring and then to remember how we shoved that shit back up the asshole of the bastards who dreamt it up in the first place <______<Mein Kampf doesn't really inform anybody though, it's just the ramblings of Hitler and his bullshit ideology. Most history books do a good jobs at being unbiased.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 07:00:08 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:55:19 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:40:00 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:30:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.Then read a history book. Erase it from your mind, don't promote it, don't waste time on it. It's wrong, it's stupid, and it's against everything humanity is supposed to be.Besides, there's genocide going on right now. There's governments brainwashing and controlling their citizens right now. That book not being banned hasn't stopped anything fm from being repeated.I have read many.I in no way promote it, whenever it's brought up I say how shite the book is let alone the abhorrent content. Understanding what you are supposed to watch for in others is important, sure you can try and leave it all up to intuition but there isn't anything wrong with understanding the mind (or trying to) of people who think like that. Finding out what makes them tick is important as it helps you prevent others from falling into the same pitfalls.And the genocides currently being carried out are not over things mentioned in mein kampf or any other nazi literature. It's over ethnic divisions and power struggles in Africa and the middle east. The Hutus in Rwanda weren't Neo-Nazis, they just wanted to butcher the Tutsis.Right, and as long we have history books no Naziesque regime will ever pop up again. But the point is there's nothing to gain by allowing people to read this book that can't be gained by reading a history book.Except history books inevitably abridge and abbreviate, put the author's spin on things and paint a narrative. Even if the original source material is disgusting, shielding people from it and buffing over the stain on humanity's existence won't work well in the long run.It's better to remember the horrors and to study the events that led to them occurring and then to remember how we shoved that shit back up the asshole of the bastards who dreamt it up in the first place <______<
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:55:19 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:40:00 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:30:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.Then read a history book. Erase it from your mind, don't promote it, don't waste time on it. It's wrong, it's stupid, and it's against everything humanity is supposed to be.Besides, there's genocide going on right now. There's governments brainwashing and controlling their citizens right now. That book not being banned hasn't stopped anything fm from being repeated.I have read many.I in no way promote it, whenever it's brought up I say how shite the book is let alone the abhorrent content. Understanding what you are supposed to watch for in others is important, sure you can try and leave it all up to intuition but there isn't anything wrong with understanding the mind (or trying to) of people who think like that. Finding out what makes them tick is important as it helps you prevent others from falling into the same pitfalls.And the genocides currently being carried out are not over things mentioned in mein kampf or any other nazi literature. It's over ethnic divisions and power struggles in Africa and the middle east. The Hutus in Rwanda weren't Neo-Nazis, they just wanted to butcher the Tutsis.Right, and as long we have history books no Naziesque regime will ever pop up again. But the point is there's nothing to gain by allowing people to read this book that can't be gained by reading a history book.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:40:00 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:30:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.Then read a history book. Erase it from your mind, don't promote it, don't waste time on it. It's wrong, it's stupid, and it's against everything humanity is supposed to be.Besides, there's genocide going on right now. There's governments brainwashing and controlling their citizens right now. That book not being banned hasn't stopped anything fm from being repeated.I have read many.I in no way promote it, whenever it's brought up I say how shite the book is let alone the abhorrent content. Understanding what you are supposed to watch for in others is important, sure you can try and leave it all up to intuition but there isn't anything wrong with understanding the mind (or trying to) of people who think like that. Finding out what makes them tick is important as it helps you prevent others from falling into the same pitfalls.And the genocides currently being carried out are not over things mentioned in mein kampf or any other nazi literature. It's over ethnic divisions and power struggles in Africa and the middle east. The Hutus in Rwanda weren't Neo-Nazis, they just wanted to butcher the Tutsis.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:30:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.Then read a history book. Erase it from your mind, don't promote it, don't waste time on it. It's wrong, it's stupid, and it's against everything humanity is supposed to be.Besides, there's genocide going on right now. There's governments brainwashing and controlling their citizens right now. That book not being banned hasn't stopped anything fm from being repeated.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:24:10 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.Well, I've read it. Or most of it anyway, I got sick of reading a brick and gave up.Despite my earlier half joke, it is an evil book. It's filled with the kind of shit you see on stormfront nowadays but written in the context of 80-90 years ago.I've read quite a lot about what the nazis did, if there was an SS officer in the same room as me and I had a gun - I'd shoot the bastard in cold blood.I was interested to get a look at the psychology behind the lunatic responsible for all that shit, not because I thought that the Nazis needed to kill off some more jews and cripples.You have to learn from history to avoid the same mistakes being repeated, the problem with stamping out the remainder of the problem is it's harder to study it in the future and make sure it never happens again.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 08, 2014, 06:14:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.The people reading it won't see it as evil. If you've read about what the Nazis have done and you're interested enough to read the book of psycho numero uno himself, chances are you think they had some good ideas.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.It might try to promote fascism, but censoring it and suppressing the book won't stop idiots from getting their hands on it. It's better to allow that piece of garbage to exist, because it genuinely is as hard to read as a brick and anyone trying to base their belief system off it would seriously struggle to make heads or tails of it.Neo-Nazi idiots just parrot the shit that their friends and fathers parroted to them, actually trying to extract sense from mein kampf is pretty futile and I would say it's beyond the skill of the average skinhead.In my opinion, it's better to let people see the evils of the ideas contained in that book for themselves than to tell them it's bad and ban it outright.
Quote from: TrussingDoor on December 08, 2014, 05:33:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.Don't twist things. Suppression of fascism is not suppression of ideas. And there's no slippery slope effect either. Fascism is a very clear and serious danger to democracy and freedom. If censoring a book written by a madman that promotes fascism is fascism to you, then you're living in some sort of topsy turvy world.
Quote from: challengerX on December 08, 2014, 05:01:29 PMThat's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.Clearly not, if one book is all it takes for your culture to descend into fascism, so much so that it must be banned. If it's that easy, I think this society's values lie elsewhere.In fact, I would call the suppression of ideas very un-democratic.
That's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.
I already explained why books carry more weight with somebody than a blog post does. You and me, and many other people see Mein Kampf for what it is. An ignorant and prejudiced person reads a book written by Hitler which reads a lot more eloquent than a Neo Nazi website, and they revere the book. There are fucking idiots in this world, and more times than not they're prejudiced and eat up anything that makes them feel better about themselves and blames everybody else. If you're going to tell me people don't worship books when we have holy texts people base their life on, you're wrong.
There's nothing fascistic about not wanting fascism (specifically Nazi ideogoly) in your society,
and no amount of comparisons and analogies will change that. It's an evil book written by an evil man and it has absolutely no place in this world.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 09, 2014, 03:35:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 03:28:56 AMI already explained why books carry more weight with somebody than a blog post does. You and me, and many other people see Mein Kampf for what it is. An ignorant and prejudiced person reads a book written by Hitler which reads a lot more eloquent than a Neo Nazi website, and they revere the book. There are fucking idiots in this world, and more times than not they're prejudiced and eat up anything that makes them feel better about themselves and blames everybody else. If you're going to tell me people don't worship books when we have holy texts people base their life on, you're wrong.Yes, they're idiots, we've established that. I don't see how a couple of troglodytes lacking in critical thinking warrants the censorship of one book though. There's plenty of other books that advocate worse shit than Mein Kampf you know, are you going to ban those too?QuoteThere's nothing fascistic about not wanting fascism (specifically Nazi ideogoly) in your society,No, but silencing the dissenting point of view because of its putridity is like the cornerstone of fascism. I really don't know why you don't seem to understand this basic concept, because I know you're smarter than this.Quoteand no amount of comparisons and analogies will change that. It's an evil book written by an evil man and it has absolutely no place in this world.That really isn't up for you to decide.And there you have it. Idiots getting ideas from an objectively evil book. I don't advocate banning books, but I do for Mein Kampf. I'm tired of this reverence the Nazis get and the idolization of Hitler. It's disgusting and we need to start getting rid of that as quickly as possible. The TV too is FULL of Nazi documentaries. It's about taking the "glamor" away from the Nazis. To stop installing it into people's minds that they were some of the worst around when far worse things have happened with far more people killed. You guys can say reading it will stop this from happening again. It's happening now, and it just happened in Iraq with America's invasions. They set up concentration camps in Iraq, and did Mein Kampf come to the rescue? Nope. Meanwhile back home people are jacking off to the book saying "can't ban it or we'll never learn from our mistakes lol". What mistakes? I've never committed genocide. People are going to commit genocide all they want, a book promoting it isn't going to make them think "Huh. Maybe I shouldn't wipe out the Kurds". They're gonna do it anyway. There is no good reason to allow this book to be legal. Because we're still doing the shit we were doing back then and a thousand years before then. Stories of how horrible slavery is hasn't stopped slavery throughout the world. If books had the power to promote something and at the same time make people view it as disgusting, we'd be living in a far better world.
Quote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 03:28:56 AMI already explained why books carry more weight with somebody than a blog post does. You and me, and many other people see Mein Kampf for what it is. An ignorant and prejudiced person reads a book written by Hitler which reads a lot more eloquent than a Neo Nazi website, and they revere the book. There are fucking idiots in this world, and more times than not they're prejudiced and eat up anything that makes them feel better about themselves and blames everybody else. If you're going to tell me people don't worship books when we have holy texts people base their life on, you're wrong.Yes, they're idiots, we've established that. I don't see how a couple of troglodytes lacking in critical thinking warrants the censorship of one book though. There's plenty of other books that advocate worse shit than Mein Kampf you know, are you going to ban those too?QuoteThere's nothing fascistic about not wanting fascism (specifically Nazi ideogoly) in your society,No, but silencing the dissenting point of view because of its putridity is like the cornerstone of fascism. I really don't know why you don't seem to understand this basic concept, because I know you're smarter than this.Quoteand no amount of comparisons and analogies will change that. It's an evil book written by an evil man and it has absolutely no place in this world.That really isn't up for you to decide.
Surprisingly, in Greece Main Kampf, and The Book of the Anarchist are not banned.
If you call banning Mein Kampf a "suppression of ideologies" you're just being dumb.
Nobody will be more likely to do anything if the book is banned.
I'm advocating banning Mein Kampf.
If you have a problem with that, you're being overly liberal and politically correct.
I'm not trying to set up anything, what I'm saying is that there's no positive to allow people to read the book.
then the world would fascist right now: it's not
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 09, 2014, 10:56:24 AM then the world would fascist right now: it's notUnfortunately.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 09, 2014, 10:40:29 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 10:30:32 AMI'm advocating banning Mein Kampf.Thank you for repeating what I already know.QuoteIf you have a problem with that, you're being overly liberal and politically correct.That's pretty rich coming from the guy advocating the censorship something because it doesn't align with his beliefs.QuoteI'm not trying to set up anything, what I'm saying is that there's no positive to allow people to read the book.Then tell people that and let them find out for themselves.It doesn't align with any free man's beliefs. In fact, it aggressively opposes them. Find out what? That genocide is bad? We already know this and it continues to happen across the world, and we do nothing to stop it. Seriously, this is an incredibly weak argument you're making.
Quote from: challengerX on December 09, 2014, 10:30:32 AMI'm advocating banning Mein Kampf.Thank you for repeating what I already know.QuoteIf you have a problem with that, you're being overly liberal and politically correct.That's pretty rich coming from the guy advocating the censorship something because it doesn't align with his beliefs.QuoteI'm not trying to set up anything, what I'm saying is that there's no positive to allow people to read the book.Then tell people that and let them find out for themselves.
. People think of Hitler as a great man, as the Nazis being incredibly organized, efficient, and revering their clothing, their salutes, their slogans. It's an unspoken truth nobody likes to admit, proven. True, you guys don't revere Nazis. But I can think of quite a few people on this site alone that do.
If you live in a country that banned Mein Kampf
